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The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by nikosison, Dec 15, 2010.

  1. bhsup

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    No, I am saying the UN has no business doing it. We are perfectly capable of dealing with any situations internally without the UN meddling. Also, what evidence of abuse is there beyond speculation? That's right up there with Beck's 1990 rape and Pelosi's sex with goats accusations.
     
  2. Formaldehyde

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    In other words, you don't even want the appropriate authorities to investigate the charges as they normally do? What do you think they feel the need to hide in such an obvious manner?

    UN investigation uncovers US torture at Guantanamo Bay

     
  3. bhsup

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    What "charges" specifically? Fabricated crap by the media or something substantial with evidence backing it up?
     
  4. Formaldehyde

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    How will they possibly know if they aren't even allowed to investigate?

    What do you think the US military is trying to hide in both cases?
     
  5. Berzerker

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    We are bound by treaties, so "if" that treaty allows for UN monitoring of human rights abuses and cooperation of members, then we gotta let em in.

    You mean like holding people indefinitely without trial? We've been doing that a while now, but declaring war includes a suspension of the 5th Amendment (along with others) if deemed necessary. I dont know how the UN monitoring human rights abuses here nullifies the 5th...
     
  6. bhsup

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    So without any evidence of anything wrong going on, you want investigators just looking into everything? Say, you mind if the local prosecutors check your computer for child porn?
     
  7. MobBoss

    MobBoss Off-Topic Overlord

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    There WERE investigations and to date there has only been 1 adjudged incident of 'torture' at Gitmo, and it wasnt from any single incident, but from a culmination of a single inmates treatment en total.

    One. And thats by a US federal judge.

    So, there have been investigations 'allowed' and by and large, most allegations are unfounded.
     
  8. Formaldehyde

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    That's what police do when there is reasonable cause to think that heinous crimes were committed.

    And there is certainly enough evidence to investigate. Why do you think GWB can no longer fly to Switzerland and elsewhere now?
     
  9. Patroklos

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    There is not reasonable cause.

    If there were, the UN still has no ordinary jurisdiction.
     
  10. warpus

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    I read an article a couple weeks ago (or rather skimmed through it), in which some dude who went to see Manning described in detail his present state of mind and how messed up it was - and what he has been going through.

    I'm too lazy to find it though.
     
  11. MobBoss

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    I remember the article and I think that 'some dude' was his attorney. You know, the guy thats being paid to only present one side of the story? :lol:

    Not exactly an unbiased source, eh?
     
  12. JollyRoger

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    Neither is the military or the guy running the prison, but some here are taking that as the gospel.
     
  13. Yui108

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    Maybe they're just understandably reluctant to relinquish their own rights to an essentially foreign body?
     
  14. warpus

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    I have a lawyer. If I was in jail he sure as hell wouldn't be claiming that I'm being tortured - unless he was.. well.. incompetent? or it was true? or maybe somebody's paying him to say this stuff? What exactly would he have to gain by lying here?

    The ONLY person who has seen Manning claims that he's being tortured. That's enough reason to go check it out.

    I mean, it's kinda too late now, he's just been transferred to a medium security prison, but I would love to see some sort of a psychological evaluation of the guy. If what his lawyer says is true then this guy went through hell.
     
  15. Formaldehyde

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    How do you give up your own rights by merely allowing a duly authorized international policing body to investigate a suspected crime? Because you are guilty of those international crimes?
     
  16. Yui108

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    I suppose it is possible they don't recognize, or are reluctant to legitimize, the authority of this international policing body, so that they can't apply their authority to the US military in other circumstances.
     
  17. MobBoss

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    I sleep totally nude every night. I fail to equate it with hell. Nothing Manning went through was hell, nor was it any different from any other detainee threatening to kill themselves as he did.
     
  18. Berzerker

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    what authority, its a fact finding mission

    and we've invaded countries based on UN resolutions, but now the UN cant even ask questions at a prison?
     
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    Yeah, voluntarily and beside your wife. A tad different. I have sex many nights too, but I wouldn't want to be doing the same in prison
     
  20. Flying Pig

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    Oh come on, that's poor. Doing something voluntarily at home is completely different to being forced to do it in prison.

    No; they don't trust it to come to the right conclusion, so don't want to be bound - legally or morally - by its judgement.
     

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