The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention

I think BOTH of you guys seem to be exaggerating a bit.

Form says that Manning's treatment is torture and totally depriving him of human dignity, while Mobboss seems to think its perfectly fine.

I DEFINITELY think a tear-proof smock is a big improvement over making him sleep totally nude.
 
I seem to think the military has a vested interest in treating Manning just like they would any other soldier in his situation, and have. I am hardly alone in that belief, either. The military has far more to lose if they did treat Manning differently.

This is the reality: People from outside the military generally view military protocol such as this as barbarous and unfair. In comparison to civilian systems that they may be used to, I can see how the perception is created, but its a myopic situation arisen from a decided lack of military experience.

Lets examine the facts.

Manning is a young idealist, who is accused of a huge number of accounts of disclosing classified information over to sources outside the military. That information may have/could be of use to our enemies in the field against us. As a result, Manning, as other soldiers who have done similar things (i.e. Ryan G. Anderson) could receive a life sentence at the US Disciplinary Barracks. Needless to say, the soldiers guarding him are trained to take any reference to suicide as serious, regardless if posters here think it simply sarcastic or whatever. Having that in mind, it makes placing him on suicide watch required, and in line with military regulation. Also, the main reason this has drug out to the length it has is not due to the military dragging its feet as was initial alleged simply in order to torture him, but by request of Mannings own defense team.

There have been many allegations from various blogs in regards to this issue, and pretty much all of them have either been effectively refuted. This isnt the army out to torture someone they see as a traitor. In fact, I submit that they have taken extra caution to ensure that isnt the case.

Now then, am I fine with the process thus far? How can I not be? Mannings delay of hearing is by his own defense teams request. His conditions may indeed be spartan, even in comparison to civilian jails, but that is neither barbaric nor unreasonable given the circumstances surrounding the case. Like I said earlier, its not a garden party, but its hardly the Turkish prison from Midnight Express either.
 
AFAIK I have never claimed his treatment is torture. I really don't know enough of the details to comment either way in that regard. It is odd that you are claiming I am exaggerating by apparently exaggerating yourself.

But it was clearly deliberately abusive, and it was apparently done to try to get him to "break" to implicate Assange. At least the US military has apparently finally given up that foolish endeavor, because it really turns any "law and order" position into blatant hypocrisy.
 
AFAIK I have never claimed his treatment is torture.

From your very first post in this thread:

Is anybody really surprised that Manning is being deliberately harassed, abused, and possibly even tortured by the US military after many reactionaries even advocated Assange's assassination?

From page 13 in reference to Manning being in solitary confinement:

I think the solitary confinement as practiced in the US for the past 20 years is nothing but the deliberate torture of those whom society has decided to permanently shun. They want to make examples of them so few others are foolish enough to challenge the wishes of the "law and order" crowd.

I really don't know enough of the details to comment either way in that regard. It is odd that you are claiming I am exaggerating by apparently exaggerating yourself.

Your words are there for all to read, and your opinion of his treatment has used such words as 'barbarous, inhuman, removing of all human dignity, etc'.

In regards to what is right there in black and white written by you, I dont believe I exaggerate at all.

But it was clearly deliberately abusive, and it was apparently done to try to get him to "break" to implicate Assange.

I disagree. As I, and several other military personnel have pointed out, he hasnt been treated any differently than any other soldier in his predicament would be.

At least the US military has apparently finally given up that foolish endeavor, because it really turns any "law and order" position into blatant hypocrisy.

As I have said, the military stands to lose a lot more if it were indeed doing the things you allege. They're not.
 
Manning slated to be finally treated like a human being, instead of being deliberately abused by people who will likely never face justice for their inhumane acts:

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/04/29/2835079/commentary-pfc-bradley-mannings.html

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley lost his job last month for committing one of Washington’s greatest sins — telling the truth.

The military’s treatment of alleged WikiLeaks leaker Army Pfc. Bradley Manning had, up to that point, been “ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid,” Crowley said. Thus the Pentagon took the unusual step Thursday of taking the press on a tour of Manning’s new home, for now.

“We want people to understand what the facts are,”
Col. Tom Collins told me as we walked behind a pack of 14 other journalists at the medium-security military prison at Fort Leavenworth.

By “facts,” Collins meant the facts since Manning arrived in Kansas last week to await trial on charges of leaking hundreds of thousands of classified government documents concerning the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as sensitive diplomatic cables and details about Guantanamo detainees.

Collins was not referring to the “facts” to which Crowley was referring when commenting on Manning’s treatment in recent months at the Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Va.

While there, Manning claims, he was held in solitary confinement for 23 and sometimes 24 hours a day. He said he was harassed by guards and put on suicide watch as a form of punishment. That meant stripping naked each night and being denied use of his eyeglasses.

“No-touch torture,” Daniel Ellsberg, the Pentagon Papers leaker, termed Manning’s treatment in an article last month.

This month, 295 legal scholars signed a protest letter.


Stung by such criticism, the Army put its best PR face on. From now on he’ll be treated no differently than the nine other men in a special unit for prisoners awaiting trial: three squares a day, two hours of recreation, an hour of access to the prison library, visiting time, phone calls, etc.

Most important, he can interact with other prisoners.

“We consider this a major victory,” Kevin Zeese of the Bradley Manning Support Network told me Thursday afternoon. “The nearly yearlong solitary confinement was abusive mistreatment amounting to torture and should never have occurred.”


All the same, plans for a Manning rally push ahead.

“Personally, I believe that Bradley Manning is a whistleblower who sought to expose corruption and criminal activity within the United States government,” said Jim Davidson of Lawrence, who is organizing a protest set for June 4 near the fort.

Cohort Shane Thayer of Kansas City, who blogs under the nickname “Punk Johnny Cash,” feels similarly.

“I think what he did was much more ethical” than some of the actions Manning helped reveal by leaking the documents, he said.

A hero to some, a traitor to others. Either way, the Army claims it will take good care of the 23-year-old Manning for what could be a very long time.
 
That's never Colonel Tim Collins OBE, late Royal Irish, is it? Vaguely remember he went into journalism or something like that
I doubt he now works for the US Army giving dog and pony shows for the press.

He should've been shot by firing squad if you ask me.
That is particularly effective if done even before the tribunal convenes. It would certainly discourage any future whistle blowers.
 
I doubt he now works for the US Army giving dog and pony shows for the press.

Well, from the way the article was written it's more than possible that he's a journalist; and over here he's always popping up whenever military opinion is called for on just about anything. Not likely, but I wouldn't be too surprised if he was sticking his nose in again.
 
Article says Tom Collins not Tim, if Forma copied it correctly.
 
It turns out they are both apparently named at least partly after that delicious gin drink. But, alas, the Brit one seems to now be just another merc....

Colonel Timothy Thomas Cyril Collins
 
That's because I didn't post beforehand.
Then how can you take issue with him then? He had every right to post. In fact, I'm not so sure I disagree with what he said about the firing squad. :p But really, if you don't want someone to respond, maybe you shouldn't have it on a public forum. :rolleyes:
 
I think what Manning did took a lot of guts and bravery, and he is beyond heroic.

I think people who mistreat Manning are scum of the lowest order, and deserve to be given the same treatment they gave to Manning.

I think people who believe Manning should be put to death are not human beings anymore.
 
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