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The Isle of Man is still at war with Germany...

Discussion in 'World History' started by diablodelmar, May 16, 2006.

  1. 7ronin

    7ronin 海軍少佐

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    Glad to help. :salute:

    I recently had the need to read about Crown Dependencies while doing some research on another project.
     
  2. diablodelmar

    diablodelmar no comment

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    And thats how you found about it. I'm intrigued because this is a very insignificant area of the world.
     
  3. El Justo

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  4. 7ronin

    7ronin 海軍少佐

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    Well, it also helps that my own family is from Islay which is just up the "road" so to speak. I also had a brief correspondence with James Clavell who lived on the Isle of Man.
     
  5. sydhe

    sydhe King of Kongs

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    Not true. You're forgetting Germany and its European allies. We declared war on Germany and Italy on December 11 and Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania on June 5, 1942.

    By the way, the actual declaration of war against Japan was December 8. December 7 was a Sunday.
     
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    sydhe King of Kongs

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    By the way, although Great Britain and the dominions declared war on Finland in December 6, 1941 (Russia had been at war with Finland since June), the United States never declared war on Finland.
     
  7. 7ronin

    7ronin 海軍少佐

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    sydhe - You are correct on all points.

    Peace treaties were signed by the United States:

    Italy - February 10, 1947
    Hungary -February 10, 1947
    Bulgaria - February 10, 1947
    Romania -February 10, 1947
    Japan - September 8, 1951
    Austria - May 15, 1955
    Germany - September 12, 1990
     
  8. bhsup

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    Probably a BF-110 rather than a JU-87.
     
  9. bhsup

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    Technically, we declared war on Japan on Dec. 8th, not the 7th. Germany and Japan came three days later. I know that at least Romania had war declared on it by the US in 1942, and I think some other German allies did as well.
     
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    Adler17 Prussian Feldmarschall

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    But Germany declared war on the US and not the other way round (and considering the US Naval actions against German civilian shipping and Uboats this might have been the only justified declaration of war by Hitler (with justified I mean only the single case and not the whole war!)).

    Adler
     
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    7ronin 海軍少佐

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    Good point. Roosevelt was doing everything he could to get the U.S. into the war. We were sending materiel to Britain by the boatload. The so called Neutrality Patrol was hardly neutral.

    Hitler's declaration of war on the United States was also one of the worst decisions he made during the war. There was considerable anti-war sentiment in the U.S. at the time and also a vocal pro-German faction. It's entirely conceivable the the U.S. could have gone to war against Japan but not Germany.

    Germany declared war on the United States first but the U.S. reciprocated. From the Joint Resolution of Congress passed December 8, 1941:

    "Whereas the Government of Germany has formally declared war against the Government and the people of the United States of America: Therefore be it

    Resolved, etc., That the state of war between the United States and the Government of Germany, which has thus been thrust upon the United States, is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Government of Germany; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States."
     
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    Why do you say this? Why is it not insignificant, and why is it obscure?
     
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    James Clavell? Never heard of him. Should I have?
     
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    mrtn Shaven not stirred

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    Quite well known author, though I don't know if he has published anything in the last years. The books I've read and liked are Shogun, Tai-Pan and Noble House. I could never get more than 100 pages into Whirlwind...
     
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    The Isle of Man isn't insignificant - if nothing else, it has what I believe is the oldest extant parliament in the world. But I suppose it's obscure simply in the sense that most people don't know much about the place. Apart from the cats, of course.
     
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    well, i would venture to say that no place on earth is really "insignificant". i guess i'm just trying to be PC. as for being "obscure", yes, what Plotinus said. ;)

    re FDR and his pre-US entry attitude vs the Germans and Japanese:
    FDR loathed Hitler. now, this is, of course, a given for much of the western world at this time. however, Churchill and Stalin were begging him to do something and from what i've gathered from a summer of studying Roosevelt was that he'd have rather pointed his guns at Germany first (pearl harbor not withstanding). he would often argue internally w/ Sec of War Stimson over the benefits of putting the bulls-eye on Hitler first. Stimson, however, was of the mindset that Japan had to be dealt w/ first. it is interesting reading (primary resource stuff, too)...the banter of whom to target.

    i must say though that Hitler's declaration of war against the Americans wasn't his shrewdest military move. however, hindsight is 20/20 i s'pose and it was likely that the Yanks would've declared war first had Germany not done so.

    PS - there's a bunch of wrecks located only a short distance from the beaches in Atlantic City and Brigantine, New Jersey (some less than a mile) which were sunk by German uboats during the war. they even list them on the nautical maps around my parts (date sunk and even the uboat name). they make for great artificial reefs where the fish hang out, breed, etc. i've caught me share of 'em around these wrecks, too :cool:
     
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    hehe those cats are worth between 3 and 5 hundred dollars. What I don't get is why people would want them so much, because they all have very bad bowel conditions that make them, er, well, prone to involuntary excretion all the time.

    It also does have the longest existing parliament (called Tynwald) but how on earth did you know that Plotinus?
     
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    You are correct. He died in 1994.

    He was also a screenwriter: The Fly, The Great Escape; and director: To Sir With Love. Other novels besides those already mentioned are King Rat and Gaijin.
     
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    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Good movies, the Great Escape and the Fly. In high school my marching band played the theme from the Great Escape. Hehe we ddi Colonel Bogey too, the one htey whistle in Bridge on the River Kwai.
     

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