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The Kingdom of Hatti: Bring Back the Hittites

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by The Kingmaker, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. The Kingmaker

    The Kingmaker Alexander

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    The Hittites haven't been seen since Civ3, but they were still a major civ.

    Let's talk about them. Ideas for leaders, abilities, agendas, etc.

    Personally, I'd love to see Queen Pudu-Hepa as leader. :)
     
  2. Siptah

    Siptah Eternal Chieftain

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    I‘m really puzzled why Puduhepa should be a good choice, but she seems popular around here. Any reason besides the letters?
     
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  3. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    I guess because she was female? :p
    I think Suppiluliuma is a better choice for leader than Mursili (who they used for Civ3). Mursili's Civ3 portrayal looked very generic. I think the Hittite leader should have a cap-like hat and hold a crooked staff (according to a book on the Hittites I've read by Trevor Bryce).

    One of my short stories/comics in my English class at my Bachelor University featured Suppiluliuma talking to his sons about who to send to marry the Egyptian widow queen. It ended up being Zannanza (like in real life).
     
  4. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    She corresponded with Nefertiti. :dunno:

    I have no particular leader wishlist, but I'd love to see the Hittites included. Given my choice of ancient Near Eastern civs, though, I'd rather see Elam or Urartu.
     
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  5. Siptah

    Siptah Eternal Chieftain

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    Urartu would be hard to pull off, no? Maybe as a Urartu/Armenian blob civ (horrible!). I‘d prefer the Hittites - but even more trade focused early Assyrians ;-)
     
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  6. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    The language is well attested and they have decent records, but Elam would probably be the easier of the two to find leaders and cities for.
     
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  7. Siptah

    Siptah Eternal Chieftain

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    Would the Hittites get a government related ability? After all, their kingship was rather a strange thing. Besides terraforming abilities and weaponry, it‘s one of their outstanding features.
     
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  8. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Isn't Susa on the Persian City-list though? Wasn't that originally an Elamite City?
     
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  9. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    Yes and yes. Of course, Aleppo is on the Arabic city list twice, Ra-Kedet and all the Alexendrias are on the Egyptian and Macedonian city-list, and Constantinople/Istanbul/Byzantium...So yeah, that doesn't seem to be a problem in Civ. :p
     
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  10. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    But the city-names can't be exactly the same, hence no Thebes on the Greek City-list. Is Susa the Elamite name or was it called something else?
     
  11. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    Did they really call the Egyptian city "Thebes" rather than "Wasat"? :wallbash: According to Wikipedia, the Elamite form was Ŝuŝan or Ŝuŝun.
     
  12. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Yes, they called the Egyptian City "Thebes" again...
    Ok, now Elam seems a lot more feasible with the different name for Susa.

    We need to get back to discussing the Hittites though. :p
     
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  13. The Kingmaker

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    One of the most influential women of the ancient Near East. Power behind the throne with her husband Hattusili, and a regent of sorts for her son.

    Not only did she engage in considerable diplomatic correspondence with Egypt, she was heavily involved in the justice system and setting legal precedents. She was also a priestess of Ishtar.

    At least as worthy as Gorgo of Sparta.
     
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  14. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Could some kind of Chariot unique unit make sense for the Hittites?

    heavy_chariot1.gif
     
  15. The Kingmaker

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    Their UU in Civ3 was the 3-Man Heavy Chariot. A driver, a spearman and an archer.
     
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    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    I'm not too sure about what their unique infrastructure should be.
    The Wonders scenario in Civ5 gave them a Lion's Gate if I recall correctly.
    At least one Civ5 mod gave them a Bloomery.

    Lion's Gate pedia.jpg
     
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    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    The Hittites had a really fascinating religion. Maybe go with a Shrine replacement. We've had a couple Temple replacements, but I don't recall a unique Shrine yet.
     
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    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    I hope the Hittite word for a shrine is known.
    Some other interesting Hittite places...
    Eflatun Pinar The Hittite Spring Sanctuary (submitted 2014).jpg
    Eflatun Pinar

    Yesemek Quarry and Sculpture Workshop (submitted 2012).jpg
    Yesemek Quarry and Sculpture Workshop
     
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  19. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    Unfortunately, it looks like they used the Sumerian logogram instead of actually spelling it out, so...alas, we' don't know their word for "temple" or "shrine." :( It looks like šuppi peda (phonetically /suppi peda/) is the word for "holy place."
     
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    Lord Lakely Unintentionally a feminist.

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    I definitely support Hatti's return and I've got so much to say and so little time. :cry::cry:

    > Suppiluliuma is my prefered leader choice, but I quite like OP's Queen idea :)
    > Hittites were renowned for their metallurgy and their abilities should reflect that (science from mines, start with vision of iron, coal, aluminum & uranium, etc)
    > The Hittites also signed the first ever peace treaty, so a diplomatic ability isn't out of the question
    > Hittites were foremost expansionists. A Chariot UU is excellent, since three-man-chariots is what they were famous for. The name "three man chariot" itself is meh, though. Meshedi were the bodyguards of the King, so maybe use that as a name instead.
    > A UA which gives them bonuses towards City State Conquest is a pretty true-to-history ability for them. There are other options, if the combat system is further deepened to include morale or war score.

    Also, I'm working on my own Civ7 vision (which I plan on presenting when I find time/once its done. July at it's earliest). This is my current prototype of what a Hittite city banner could look like:

    Spoiler :


    Dark Orange and Yellow would suit them nicely since their most famous symbol is a sun disk and orange is generally a difficult colour to assign (other than Netherlands and maybe India). An alternative could be a shade of pink to symbolize the dawn [of a new era in which the Hittites will crush you with their chariot spam]
     

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