The Latest on the War on Nature: another mammal species (nearly) gone

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I am serious now - in cases like this, I'd have the poachers and those who buy for them publicly tortured.


Javan rhino 'now extinct in Vietnam'

A critically endangered species of rhino is now extinct in Vietnam, according to a report by conservation groups.

The WWF and the International Rhino Foundation said the country's last Javan rhino was probably killed by poachers, as its horn had been cut off.

Experts said the news was not a surprise, as only one sighting had been recorded in Vietnam since 2008.

Fewer than 50 individuals are now estimated to remain in the wild.

"It is painful that despite significant investment in Vietnamese rhino conservation, efforts failed to save this unique animal, " said WWF's Vietnam director Tran Thi Minh Hien.

"Vietnam has lost part of its natural heritage."

The authors of the report, Extinction of the Javan Rhino from Vietnam, said genetic analysis of dung samples collected between 2009-2010 in the Cat Tien National Park showed that they all belonged to just one individual.

Shortly after the survey was completed, conservationists found out that the rhino had been killed. They say it was likely to have been the work of poachers because it had been shot in a leg and its horn had been cut off.

Globally, there has been a sharp increase in the number of rhino poaching cases. Earlier this year, the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) published a report that said rhino populations in Africa were facing their worst poaching crisis for decades.

An assessment carried out by Traffic, the global wildlife trade monitoring network, said the surge in the illegal trade in rhino horns was being driven by demands from Asian medicinal markets.


Conservation blow

The Vietnam rhino, as well as being the last of the species on mainland Asia, was also the last known surviving member of the Rhinoceros sondaicus annamiticus subspecies - one of three recognised groups of Javan rhino populations.

Another is already extinct. R. sondaicus inermis was formerly found in north-eastern India, Bangladesh and Burma.

The remaining subspecies, R. sondaicus sondaicus, is now found on Java, Indonesia. However, since the 1930s, the animals - now estimated to number no more than 50 - have been restricted to the westernmost parts of the island.

Bibhab Kumar Talukdar, chairman of the IUCN's Asian Rhino Specialist Group, said the demise of the Javan rhino in Vietnam was "definitely a blow".

"We all must learn from this and need to ensure that the fate of the Javan rhino in [Indonesia] won't be like that of Cat Tien in near future," he told BBC News.

"Threats to rhinos for their horn is definitely a major problem. But in Indonesia, due to active work done by rhino protection units and national park authorities, no Javan rhino poaching has been recorded in Indonesia for past decade."

Dr Talukdar observed: "What is key to the success of the species is appropriate habitat management as the Javan rhinos are browser and it needs secondary growing forests."

He warned that the habitat within the national park on Java serving as the final refuge for the species was being degraded by an invasive species of palm.

"As such, control of arenga palm and habitat management for Javan rhinos in Ujung Kulon National Park is now become important for future of the species."

(BBC)
 
Can somebody please explain to me the profound damage this will cause to the ecosystem? I mean animals go extinct, humans or no humans. I'm not saying there's no harm in that, I'm asking what exactly is the harm in that?
 
Beside it being morally disgusting to drive a species to extinction because a bunch of idiots believe that its tusks or horns have magical healing properties, every such event means a loss in biodiversity, which is not recoverable. Every species fits into the ecosystem somehow, and we often don't understand its role until we exterminate it and then something bad happens.

In practice, this species of a rhinoceros might not be as important as the principle I want to talk about.
 
From a stance of pragmatism:

Each and every species contributes to diversity. As a stock investor might tell you, it's best not to put all your eggs in one basket. Similarly, the more species there are, each with its own unique set of adaptations accrued over billions of years of natural selection, the more survivable life is as a whole.

From an aesthetic standpoint:

Life is pretty.
 
Having an growing population with a growing consumption on a finite planet can not go in for ever. It is time for China's one child per family to go global for four generations or so.

The problem with this is, this particular case of (almost) extinction is not due to population pressure; it's economics and idiocy.
 
How is this going to negatively effect me?

I don't care.

The problem with this is, this particular case of (almost) extinction is not due to population pressure; it's economics and idiocy.

Precisely. There is no practical reason related to necessity why this animal should be on the verge of extinction.
 
Because no man is an island

And because there's something sickening about the thought of my future children twenty tears from now asking me what a rhino is, much as one might ask what a dinosaur is.
 
Well if it isn't going to hurt me in any way...why should I be concerned about the extinction of a rhino?
 
1. We need diversity.

2. When species go extinct it always has a compounded impact on it's environment, effects will reverberate towards other species including plants.

How is this going to negatively effect me?
If that's the criteria we judge whether something is bad, please explain to me how your painful death (which I do not wish upon you, I wish you happiness and creaminess) should be viewed as bad by me.
 
Is this complaining that people turned a non-renewable resource into money and short-term (perceived) benefit? The hunter got money, the customer got what he wanted. It's economic growth! We're in times of recession! The free market will make efficient use of scarce resources!

Market analysis of overconsumption of non-renewables
(PS: liquidating assets to invest in the market was VERY poorly timed)
 
1. We need diversity.

2. When species go extinct it always has a compounded impact on it's environment, effects will reverberate towards other species including plants.

I understand that perfectly well, if a species dies out and cannot perform it's niche in the enviroment it can have terrible consequences. But how would a extinct rhino, on the opposite side of the world effect me?


If that's the criteria we judge whether something is bad, please explain to me how your painful death (which I do not wish upon you, I wish you happiness and creaminess) should be viewed as bad by me.

Can you wish me deliciousness too pls? :P
I have other criteria too /rolls eyes :P
 
But how would a extinct rhino, on the opposite side of the world effect me?

I think this is what they call missing the forest (man-made extinction and biodiversity loss) for the trees (the extinction of a specific species).
 
The Rhino is a bad example of a ecosystem busting extinction because it is basically a relic that just hasn't been outcompeted yet.

However, that this one species isn't as important as others in that regard does not mean the overall trend is not going to affect you.
 
How is this going to negatively effect me?

Firstly, biodiversity has its own intrinsic value. Secondly, this one individual death doesn't affect you, but it's part of a growing trend of poaching and natural resource overconsumption which certainly will (and is already).
 
The Rhino is a bad example of a ecosystem busting extinction because it is basically a relic that just hasn't been outcompeted yet.

However, that this one species isn't as important as others in that regard does not mean the overall trend is not going to affect you.

Indeed.

The Rhino was not a bad example decades ago, but ultimately became one. The damage is already done, and the final nail in the coffin is not as significant as what set this in motion.
 
every such event means a loss in biodiversity, which is not recoverable. Every species fits into the ecosystem somehow, and we often don't understand its role until we exterminate it and then something bad happens.

What do you mean not recoverable? Another rhino may not evolve, but surely biodiversity can grow (even though it may or may not be growing right now)?

From a stance of pragmatism:

Each and every species contributes to diversity. As a stock investor might tell you, it's best not to put all your eggs in one basket. Similarly, the more species there are, each with its own unique set of adaptations accrued over billions of years of natural selection, the more survivable life is as a whole.

Can you (or anyone) give me an example how a species going extinct has caused major damage to an ecosystem?

From an aesthetic standpoint:

Life is pretty.

Huh, I guess I never looked at rhinos that way.
 
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