{ChinO_MorenO}
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Do you guys agree with me?
The leader of the russians shouldn't be Catherine, it should be Lenin!
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And Tojo. And Churchill. And Washington.
I think they went with the 'safest' leaders, or just picked on a whim. Even though I can't imagine they couldn't find a better someone better for China than Mao.
I think they went with the 'safest' leaders, or just picked on a whim. Even though I can't imagine they couldn't find a better someone better for China than Mao.
{ChinO_MorenO}
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lol markv, that's why I picked lenin...
dannyevilcat
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So many people probably disagree with me, but... Catherine's fine as a leader. I think the reason everyone is against her is because she's such an old bag 
, am I wrong?
I always thought Catherine the Great looked like Julia Ormond (at least she did in a T.V. miniseries)
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, am I wrong?I always thought Catherine the Great looked like Julia Ormond (at least she did in a T.V. miniseries)
.why not peter the great?
lenin just brought communism to russia, peter built an empire.
and mao for the chinese is kinda lame. all he did was starve millions of his own people and sent them to work on farms in the desert. i think they just picked him cuz he's the only chinese leader most non-chinese people know.
lenin just brought communism to russia, peter built an empire.
and mao for the chinese is kinda lame. all he did was starve millions of his own people and sent them to work on farms in the desert. i think they just picked him cuz he's the only chinese leader most non-chinese people know.
TR_Emrys
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My vote has to go to Ivan The Terrible. The Russians keep starting wars with me for some reason and I think thats just "terrible"
Civilizator
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Just before Lenin´s revolution Russia was stuck in the medioeval darkness. With Lenin Russia was transformed into an amazingly powerful industrialized country that contributed importantly to the defeat of the nazi criminal madness. In terms of historical importance Lenin is probably the Russian leader to choose, but remember this is just a game...
Check this link out if you'd prefer a man ruling Russia.
http://www.strategyplanet.com/
Last time I looked they had this pic up. I hope they don't mind me borrowing it to share with you.
http://www.strategyplanet.com/
Last time I looked they had this pic up. I hope they don't mind me borrowing it to share with you.
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Many of the civs could have had different leaders - Charlemagne, Washington, Roosevelt, a half dozen Brits, Peter the Great, Lenin, Stalin, etc.,etc. Hard to pick just one. Lenin gets a bad rap because of Stalin, unfortunately; I think he would have been the best choice too.
Civilizator , not only you have no clue what you are talking about, you post is extremly offensive to a lot of people of russian heritage. It is abbout the same as to tell a jew that pogroms were useful for them, because they stimulate immigration to Palestine.
I believe it should be Peter the Great.
Peter built russia into a modern european power, his westward push, pulled Russia into the so-called civilized world. And his eastward push, provided the foundation upon which the largest landbased empire was built.
On Mao and China, Mao is a great chinese leader, but not for his cultural revolution but for his long march, and eventual restoration of order to china.
Peter built russia into a modern european power, his westward push, pulled Russia into the so-called civilized world. And his eastward push, provided the foundation upon which the largest landbased empire was built.
On Mao and China, Mao is a great chinese leader, but not for his cultural revolution but for his long march, and eventual restoration of order to china.
Akka
Moody old mage.
Cleopatra should not be the Egyptian leader, it should be Ramsès II or AKhenaton, or Nefertiti.
Jeanne d'Arc should not be the French leader, it should be Louis XIV or Napoleon.
Elisabeth should not be the English leader, it should be Victoria.
Catherin should not be the Russian leader, it should be Stalin or Alexander II.
Mao should not be the Chinese leader, it should be one of the ancient Emperor of China (don't know many of them, my bad).
It's obvious that the leaders' choices were not very well inspired.
Jeanne d'Arc should not be the French leader, it should be Louis XIV or Napoleon.
Elisabeth should not be the English leader, it should be Victoria.
Catherin should not be the Russian leader, it should be Stalin or Alexander II.
Mao should not be the Chinese leader, it should be one of the ancient Emperor of China (don't know many of them, my bad).
It's obvious that the leaders' choices were not very well inspired.
France: Joan of Arc was never King/Queen/Emporor/President - so I'd change this one. I like Louis the Sun King, but maybe there are more inspired choices.
Russia: Well, Lenin would be a fair analog to Mao in many ways. Lenin didn't have time to kill off many of his own either. Personally, I like Catherine, but I'd love Rurik. Also, the name Yuri Dalgaruki has a great sound ("founder" of Moscow).
Russia: Well, Lenin would be a fair analog to Mao in many ways. Lenin didn't have time to kill off many of his own either. Personally, I like Catherine, but I'd love Rurik. Also, the name Yuri Dalgaruki has a great sound ("founder" of Moscow).
History Guy
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I agree that Cleopatra really shouldn't be a Civ leader. If you want a female leader, Hatshepshut is the best there. Ramses II would be excellent, as would Tuthmosis III (who was a great military leader as well). Nefertiti on the other hand was Akhenaton's wife, but still she shouldn't be considered a Civ leader, as she was not the head of state.
As great as Joan was, she should not be leader. More suitable, I think, would be Charlemange. He's my favorite anyway! Napoleon, on the other hand, was a great military man and all, but not a great leader.
Hmmm...what's wrong with Elizabeth? She's an excellent choice.
What's wrong with Catherine?? She looks ugly in the portrait, but heck, when she was younger she was supposedly quite a stunner! Anyway, she was actually one of Russia's greatest rulers. Stalin or Lenin for leader would be as bad as Napoleon for France, Hitler for Germany, Mao for China (uh-oh)...Ivan the Terrible would be a terrible choice as well. He was just...terrible. Alexander II wasn't much of a great leader either. All he did was lose the Crimean War, free the serfs, stick his navy in a United States port, and get blown up.
dannyevilcat
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Uh, I don't know any either, so that makes two of us... yet we both know of Mao, right? So by this logic-- maybe Mao is a good choice after all?
Shoulda, coulda, woulda...Firaxis didn't pick the "wrong" leaders, they just picked different ones. Seriously, Elizabeth should be Victoria? Talk about picking bones! I agree with some of the other options, but (shrugs) oh, well.
There would have been no Nazi criminal madness without the USSR, and hence without Lenin. It was fear of the growing power of the Communists, and the desire to prevent a terror such as had happened in Russia, that allowed that idiot Hitler to achieve power. If he hadn´t, the Communists probably would have, leaving a doomed choice between two lunatic fringes which had together crushed the middle. Stalin even recommended supporting Nazis against the SPD (social democrats) until the mid-1930s, considering social democracy the biggest threat to a revolution.
Secondly, Russia was a great power in 1914, already on the way to modernisation (with the help of German technology and industrial goods, which continued to be vital in the Soviet period, right up through 1930s). Russia today is a disaster: it is only a great power in any sense through the posession of nuclear weapons, and has lost much of the empire which the Tsars had built over the centuries.
Choosing Lenin or Stalin for Russia would as bad as choosing Hitler for Germany. I think Peter the Great would have been the best leader for Russia, but Firaxis obviously wanted to balance the sexes, and Catherine the Great isn´t such a bad choice.
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