The meaning of the word "British"
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luiz said:
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Well all the Irish people I know would be offended by that statement they see themselves as Irish and certainly not as british, thou half of Northern Island would say there as british as the rest.
Britian is as most people are aware made up of Scotland, England and Wales.
I'm Scottish not british, and hope one day to break up this outdated union.
Scotland has its own laws courts, education system and a devolved parliament with its own MP's we are only a short step away from independence and the end of this undemocratic union.
bholed said:
Just curious as to why you feel its undemocratic?. If anything id say
scotland has more influence than england?. You have representation
in westminster as well as a national parliament.
Surely its more democratic than say the EU structure where the EC isnt
even elected?.
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SeleucusNicator said:
One is geographical and the other political.
ellie said:
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No, its undemocratic as Scotland as a whole is a much more socialist country than England, were not to keen on the tories, to say the least.
In the past the whole of Scotland has rejected conservatism and returned Zero Nil tory Mp's yet due to our English neighbours
voting for them we suffered ten years of misery under a government we totally rejected and hated, hardly a sweeping thumbs up for democracy.
We should be able to vote for the party we want , not what the english people want.
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Scotland's entry into the union was not done by choice.
The English seem to have forgotten a few historical details these days.
The English seem to have forgotten a few historical details these days.
bholed said:
Which of course is why labour is keen to keep hold of scotland. Its
very important if labour is to keep power imho.
I guess if the majority of scots want to break the union, then thats
the way it should be. But i do think todays solution with scottish mps voting
for policies for england, then against them for scotland is ridicoulous.
Its as if your MPS are having a laugh or something.
Any polls done in scotland on the subject?. Id be interested to see public opinion on the union overall.
Evertonian
Bluenose
Even in Britain (and particularly England) there's a surprising amount of ignorance about what constitutes, Britain, the British Isles, the United Kingdom etc. therefore I'm not surprised if people outside are totally confused.
I use British to refer to Great Britain only (and then only sometimes). If I was talking about something specifically Scottish or Welsh I would say so. I know there are 900,000 or so people living in Ireland and (as Ellie pointed out) others in the Falklands and Gibraltar who call themselves British, but just as a personal thing I don't refer to them in that way
I use British to refer to Great Britain only (and then only sometimes). If I was talking about something specifically Scottish or Welsh I would say so. I know there are 900,000 or so people living in Ireland and (as Ellie pointed out) others in the Falklands and Gibraltar who call themselves British, but just as a personal thing I don't refer to them in that way
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stormbind said:
But not exactly under the best circumstances...
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ellie said:
Why are the English so fixated on keeping the union anyway?
Surely all Scotland's mineral resources (if any) are all owned by other interested parties.
CurtSibling said:Why are the English so fixated on keeping the union anyway?
Maintain the peaceful democracy in which all share equal voice.
As for circumstances of the union: The Scottish King owned both England & Scotland - so he officially united his realms. What's the problem with that?
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stormbind said:
Charles I became King on the death of his father.
Although born in Scotland, Charles had no interest in the country and dealt with Scottish affairs with even less tact than his father.
This caused discontent.
*ahem*
CurtSibling said:Why are the English so fixated on keeping the union anyway?
Surely all Scotland's mineral resources (if any) are all owned by other interested parties.
Actually i have mixed views about it. I guess there is resistance to change
but as mentioned i dont like the current system anymore than you do.
I think there should either be a single parliament (representative of course)
or all countries including england shoud have their own parliament.
The implications for england of a split
Financially: well i think it would benefit us financially if anything.
Resources: Could become an issue i guess, point taken on ownership though
Military: Potential mess with work for new carriers in scotland, nuke sub fleet and scotland traditionally providing proportionally more troops than the rest of britain.
What do you think of scotlands financial prospects if completely independant?. Ireland did very well indeed, but recieved EU aid to do so. I dont personally believe aid will be available in that way anymore because
of enlargment (just how many farmers have we added to the eu now??)
MrPresident
Anglo-Saxon Liberal
Yet another thread turned into an audition for Braveheart. When will you Scots learn that your people don't want independence? They like being oppressed by us English barbarians.
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MrPresident said:
It's that very attitude that makes Englanders so loved up here.
At the end of the day this isnt the 18th century
if the majority want independence then fair enough.
Last poll i could find ..for the scotsman (icm pollsters)
Shows a pretty divided opinion though?.
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Thinking about the running of Scotland as a whole, which ONE of the following would you most like to see? Base: All respondents
Scotland
Scotland being independent of England & Wales, but part of the EU 27%
Scotland remaining part of the UK but with it's own devolved parliament with taxation and spending powers 46%
Scotland remaining part of the UK but with no devolved parliament 22%
Don't know 5%
if the majority want independence then fair enough.
Last poll i could find ..for the scotsman (icm pollsters)
Shows a pretty divided opinion though?.
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Thinking about the running of Scotland as a whole, which ONE of the following would you most like to see? Base: All respondents
Scotland
Scotland being independent of England & Wales, but part of the EU 27%
Scotland remaining part of the UK but with it's own devolved parliament with taxation and spending powers 46%
Scotland remaining part of the UK but with no devolved parliament 22%
Don't know 5%
CurtSibling said:
That is after the formation of Great Britain as a political entity, so you have deviated from the issue which is: The Act of Union.
England & Scotland didn't exist as political entities in Charles' reign. It was Great Britain - a single & united nation.
Charles had no interest in Scotland, just as he had no interest in England. So back to the Union, what's the problem with it?
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