The Modern Age livestream is coming December 17th!

[xphantomx]

I am quite certain that I hate it. Modern culture is defined by the plunder of historical artifacts? Don't tell Joyce

I’m going to assume they are using “artifact” in the general sense. It includes works of art and such.

 

[OzzyKP]

I was hoping there would be a difficult but plausible non-militant way to win Domination, like there is for the Antiquity/Exploration Domination legacy, but it's still made feasible enough that I might go for it occasionally if the warmonger mood strikes me.

I suppose if the 4th age has a Cold War theme, then perhaps you could get Domination points for just building up nukes.

 

[Aeon221]

Except Ed specifically mentioned the Cold War, which suggests a time jump of...a few months.

Sure but he also talked about Operation Ivy as the capstone to the era which implies a much bigger jump because otherwise you’d probably leave Global Thermonuclear War as the big thing of the fourth era.

 

[xphantomx]

I like that the Modern Age has ideology mechanic to encourage a world war. But as with all mechanics, I think it will depend on the AI. We know in civ6, the AI could declare war on you in the late game but not do anything or be ineffective. So if the AI in civ7 is too passive, I could see a situation where the world war mechanic falls flat because you get lots of war declarations but the AI just sits there or launches small attacks, or your AI allies just sit there and don't help you.

This is a good example on why the Ages are compartmentalized as they are. Ed implied that in the past AI was hamstrung by the continuous long term branching of tech that they often failed to prioritize or utilized the modern units (like planes and ships). Which help to explain the times when civs would declare war in late game but not have the ability to properly wage it like they were more in the early game.

Letting the AI somewhat start over in the modern age, and streamline all the tech and the motivations specifically to that, allows the AI to handle the “late game” mechanics better

 

[Aeon221]

It was not encouraging watching the live stream. Carl was just rolling over Xerxes' cities with zero resistance.

They were outlying appendages of a much larger empire and we have no idea what difficulty it was set to. Given that the player in question had apparently been wonder spamming and they wanted to demo the air units I’d expect a lower one. We could clearly see a lot of enemy units in the immortal difficulty game and Ed was clearly penned in which wouldn’t have happened if the ai was a slouch militarily.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Sure but he also talked about Operation Ivy as the capstone to the era which implies a much bigger jump because otherwise you’d probably leave Global Thermonuclear War as the big thing of the fourth era.

But they could retool the project if they did want to add an age. They've changed them before.

 

[xphantomx]

Yeah but the second part is just a boring city project…

I mean…cultural victory in Civ was only achievable by collecting artifacts/art and pouring hammers into culture buildings for the modifiers. Nothing is really different on that front.

I appreciate it wrapped more in a goal oriented package

It’s similar to wrapping up the domination victory in a package so you aren’t wandering around late game trying to get to every capital

 

[xphantomx]

Only one person in this thread is complaining about DLC; most (including me) are just expressing a dislike at the idea of an additional age existing period, not its delivery method.

If this 4th age does indeed exist, the negative tenor of this thread is absolutely about the fact of it being added later on…rather than it being in the game from the beginning or its content included within the existing ages.

So it IS a knock on the concept of expansions/dlc

 

[Krikkit1]

I suppose if the 4th age has a Cold War theme, then perhaps you could get Domination points for just building up nukes.

I’d guess winning proxy wars (while maintaining MAD)

 

[Zaarin]

If this 4th age does indeed exist, the negative tenor of this thread is absolutely about the fact of it being added later on…rather than it being in the game from the beginning or its content included within the existing age.

No, it's not. It's about not wanting a fourth age for the latter 20th century, a period of history many find uninteresting and/or contentious. Again, only person in this thread that I've seen has complained about DLC.

 

[Sagax]

I mean…cultural victory in Civ was only achievable by collecting artifacts/art and pooring hammers into culture buildings for the modifiers. Nothing is really different on that front.

That’s like saying domination victory is only achievable by pouring hammers into units and collecting capitals?… To me, the draw of cultural victory was that you had your own mini-game going on between collecting art and figuring out the best mix of buildings and improvements to generate tourism in the given game. It was distinct enough that it didn’t feel like an endless production queue - unlike the science victory, especially in GS. Rock bands are the black sheep in this, but they aren’t mandatory.

In the current stage, Civ 7’s implementation may be more streamlined, but it also feels more barebone.

 

[xphantomx]

No, it's not. It's about not wanting a fourth age for the latter 20th century, a period of history many find uninteresting and/or contentious. Again, only person in this thread that I've seen has complained about DLC.

The complaint is really about the devs theoretically adding post launch content that is uninteresting and contentious??

That’s silly lol, glad I skimmed over it especially it seems to be complaining about something that probably doesn’t exist anyways

 

[xphantomx]

Nope, not for me. I don’t care that it’d be added as DLC. I like DLC and want the game to continue to receive support.

So it being DLC is not the problem. I don’t want a 4th age past modern because I don’t find the time period interesting at all. I want to play history, not current times.

Hm maybe I’m missing it. What’s the timestamp in the livestream that they mention the 4th post modern age?

 

[Zaarin]

That’s silly

Yes, it's crazy that people could possibly have different opinions about what they want in the game. What a world where we're not yet the Borg Collective.

 

[Krikkit1]

But some of us like to conquer the world.

Well they really need to have a way to play beyond winning (although given that winning needs a project, you probably can just continue to conquer and not build the victory project)… you might have to burn the world (or liberate suzerain IPs), I don’t think you could keep that many settlements over the limit.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Nope, not for me. I don’t care that it’d be added as DLC. I like DLC and want the game to continue to receive support.

So it being DLC is not the problem. I don’t want a 4th age past modern because I don’t find the time period interesting at all. I want to play history, not current times.

But does it not seem strange that life ends in 1950? I don't need a new age but an eventual extension seems mandatory.

 

[Krikkit1]

Sure but he also talked about Operation Ivy as the capstone to the era which implies a much bigger jump because otherwise you’d probably leave Global Thermonuclear War as the big thing of the fourth era.

Operation Ivy was 1952
First Man in Space 1961
World Bank 1944
Worlds Fair…1791..1851..1939
(depending on which you count..1939 is when they began to switch to culture over industry)

A 4th age could be 1960-2060 and it would work just fine time wise.

putting in MAD/Proxy/True cold war and the Information age seem like important things to either include in a completely redone 3rd age or a 4th age.

 

[Zaarin]

But does it not seem strange that life ends in 1950?

Not really? It seems in keeping with the generally optimistic view of history the franchise has historically embraced (except for when it went through its edgy goth phase with Civ5).

 

[xphantomx]

Yes, it's crazy that people could possibly have different opinions about what they want in the game. What a world where we're not yet the Borg Collective.

No, I meant it’s silly that people are complaining about something that doesn’t exist.

“This thing that doesn’t exist is bad because it seems boring and unnecessary!”

I dunno, seems silly

 

[Zaarin]

No, I meant it’s silly that people are complaining about something that doesn’t exist.

Complaining about something we're told will exist.