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The Moral Bancruptcy of Anarcho-Capitalism

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by holy king, Mar 3, 2010.

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  1. holy king

    holy king Deity

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    both of course. everyone who disagrees on this hasnt even read marx, and it is absolutely meaningless to discuss economics with people who haven even read marx.
     
  2. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    Marx didn't know anything about economics. What he knew was about sociology.
     
  3. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Yeah, he only wrote a three-thousand page book on the subject. :lol:
     
  4. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    And got everything wrong :)
     
  5. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Marx's critique of the political economy has served as one of the foundations of the modern understanding of capitalism - even by economists. If you can say with the straight face that Marx said absolutely nothing correctly, then you are more out of touch with society than the Randites and Austrians at whom this thread is directed.
     
  6. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    Uh. It's because those which have wealth - which include those corporations - will rationally seek to monopolize the legitimate use of force and thus become a state, which the exception that the state is the private property of the owner. ...which just ends up reverting to your basic feudalistic anarchy of regions being nothing more than a patchwork of land and people in various dictatorships owned and controlled by numerous elite groups.
     
  7. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    The parts of Marx that work are about society and social interactions. Not about rules of economics. More the behavior of people as groups than the behavior of markets. Perhaps he does have more to say on economics than I credit him with. But that doesn't explain why the critiques of Marx that come out of economics work, and the disciples of Marx have never been capable of making socialism work.
     
  8. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Marx didn't write about economic rules in the way that Keynes did, he wrote about socio-economic interactions between people. This is probably why you think he wrote about sociology. Marx wrote about the political economy, a subject which capitalists have done a good job during the past century of divorcing from itself. He did not write about the theoretical structure of an economy, he wrote about the political structure of the capitalist economy, because economics is political.
     
  9. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    I love how a thread about Anarcho-Capitalism automatically turns into a thread about Communism.

    - "hey, I have a question about Anarcho-Capitalism: ___________ ."
    - "Well, let me tell you why Communism doesn't work. You see, blah blah blah, blah blah blah, blah blah blah. And that's why Communism sucks."
     
  10. aelf

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    oh u are so enlightened oh oh oh. i m tearing at your brilliance, comrade.

    So did Ricardo then.
     
  11. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    While I agree that a lot of economics is inherently tied together with politics, it still comes out looking more that Marx was more sociologist than economist.
     
  12. Ayatollah So

    Ayatollah So the spoof'll set you free

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    :yup: And since property evolved straight out of territoriality - which is, all over the animal kingdom, based on brute force - the moral problem with propertarianism is pretty damn stark.
     
  13. Yeekim

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    The guy may be wrong, but at least he has posted in an intelligent and civilized manner - while all your three posts in this thread amount to simple trolling.
    I'd say it is complaint against libertarianism in general and anarcho-capitalism in particular - since the latter is just the former taken to th extremes. And while I agree that anti-trust is hard to do effectively, it does not follow we should stop paying any attention to this problem altogether.
    Anarcho-capitalism prescribes lack of government, which, as most people would agree, is an unattainable goal. All that power vacuums ever create are civil wars... until they get filled. This, I believe, is the greatest, or at least most obvious problem of that ideology.
     
  14. Kraznaya

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    Man, did that ever get disproved in this thread.
     
  15. superunknown

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    Well, maybe there's a reason why Nozick believed that the Night Watchman State was preferable to Anarcho-Capitalism. According to his view, the latter would eventually evolve into some form of state anyway, so it would be better to have a the Night Wachtman State to begin with.
     
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    :lol:

    FYI, I consider civilised discussion to involve some actual form of legitimate discussion, not ramming a point down the throats of everyone.
     
  17. GoodGame

    GoodGame Red, White, & Blue, baby!

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    Because they live in freedom-guaranteeing republics that allow them to talk in public?!?
     
  18. BasketCase

    BasketCase Username sez it all

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    And then BasketCase showed up to turn everything on its head.

    Unrestricted capitalism results in less concentration of power than previous economic/political systems. Medieval kings had absolute power over everything. Economy, military, religion. And the serfs were much worse off than the common worker today. Before medieval kings, it was even simpler: I would simply stab you with a spear and take your stuff.

    Unrestricted capitalism isn't perfect. But restricting capitalism concentrates economic power in the hands of government. That's a step backwards towards the Middle Ages.
     
  19. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    Unfettered Capitalism causes new industries to become monopolized because they have the upper-hand in the market and to maximize gain drive competitors out of business and in old industries one eventual gains the upper-hand and drive the others out of business eventually evolving into a small and smaller group controlling until one person ones the top of each and they start intermarrying and then the economy is run by a handful of families, is that not dictatorial? what are the odds with extreme wealth that they will not try to vigorously stamp out opposition?
     
  20. BasketCase

    BasketCase Username sez it all

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    No, it's not dictatorial, go read a damn dictionary. So the economy is run by a handful of families. That handful of families is not the government. That's an improvement over what came before: a king or queen who did control the economy.
     
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