Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by MerchantCo, Jul 31, 2013.
What's the most powerful unique unit in your opinion?
I just about stabbed myself recently trying to kill Mohawk warriors in a hilly-forest-river terrain. Honestly, even with my Shoshone friendly terrain bonus, my composite bowmen were doing around 7 dmg a hit.
I'll edit this later when I actually think of the most powerful. Can't think right now .
I think we've had these threads enough by now to know that Camel Archers and Keshiks are so far and above the rest of the game that it isn't even really a contest. I guess Impi can join the fun too.
Impi upgrades to Lancers, so nah .
Samurai, Keshik, Impi, and Winged Hussar
Keshik and khans?
siege towers are up there.
A warrior walking into an upgrade ruin more or less grants you a city from another civ.
Actually they upgrade to riflemen (they broke the standard Pikeman->lancer path)
It's hard to judge most powerful UU because it depends on map type, when you like to stage your war(s).
My criteria for a great UU is:
1.Built between classical and renaissance (never got the hang of ancient era wars, maybe I should play on marathon)
2.Have either great mobility defense or healing (otherwise it will be hard to upgrade)
3.A unique ability that allows you to use it differently (built in normal promotions are nice but if thats the whole advantage than its the same as barbs and upgrading)
4. Not be a lancer (seriously they are terrible)
This is honestly why I love Impis so much. That combined with the UB of the Zulus turn impies into beastly Riflemen. Heck, I'd even say that Zulu spearmen are their own UU so much they're amazing.
I beg to differ here and present the one exception I hold dear to me... the Sea Beggar.
I've recently grown fond of using regular privateers too, but they are a bit clumsy before they get the Supply promotion unless they're used near friendly waters. The Sea Beggars avert this problem by having Supply to begin with, and also have an extra level in commerce raiding. I think I'll be playing my next game as the Dutch just for some good ol' "begging".
Maybe this opinion is just silly, and it feels weird to call it directly "powerful" but I feel like the Nau belongs in the conversation because having it as a unique unit basically gives coastal cities an incredibly efficient gold production option. It feels totally unfair. There are other UU that also feel totally unfair - Keshiks are an obvious example - but it feels totally unfair along a very different axis. It's of course very difficult to compare them to the most beastly military monster UUs (Keshiks, Rams, Impi, etc.), but in terms of overall advantage provided they're pretty scary.
Do you mean, once upgraded to riflemen, they are still able to attack twice, both range and melee?
Except they don't.
So they are definitely pretty solid.
They do not, unfortunately. But they do keep the Buffalo upgrades.
After keshiks and camel archers which are in a league of their own, I'd say the next best UUs are Chu ko nu, Janissary, Carolean, Longbowman, Siege tower, Battering rams, Ship of the line, Impi, and potentially Kris swords.
I've never been high on the Longbowmen, mainly because the game is really dumb with 3-range attacks with no indirect fire. Just look at any of the dozen "why can't I attack this unit?" threads on these forums to see why Longbows are a lot weaker in game than they are on paper.
Actually, this can be abused. You can end up tossing arrows over mountains if you plan it right Can't prove it right now, but it's in one of those threads
The Siege Tower fufills all of those requirements
1. Classical Era Unit
2. It has Cover I
3. Its a melee siege units
4. It isn't a lancer its a catapult
As has been mentioned above me, Sea Beggars are incredibly powerful. Sure, they may be "just" privateers with extra promotions, but those promotions go a long way toward making a powerful coast-conquering navy that upgrades to destroyers for an Industrial/Modern era push.
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