The New Barbarian Hordes

[Wyz_sub10]

Given the number of new civs being added to CIV Gold, the time has come to revisit the Barbarian list.

I spent several hours going through 1000s (literally) of empires, kingdoms, city states, etc. trying to compose a solid list that hits all the high notes, while adding some new and lesser-known states.

Here were a notes to consider when drafting the initial list:

- autonomy often meant very little in the pre-Imperial world
(rule could be by kingdom, by dynasty, by Empire, by religion, etc.)
- sorting out autonomy in Anatolia/Mesopotamia/Central Asia very difficult
- European dutchies/city-states/bishoprics, etc. sometimes considered
- city states and semi-autonomous towns within empires generally ommitted
- kingdoms always under foreign rule or in vassal position generally ommitted
- independent Khanates, Roman provinces, Greek states generally ommitted
- quasi/kingdoms in China, India, Korea and Indonesia generally ommitted

As a general rule, anything that could be grouped with an existing civ was usually left out. Firaxis seemed to have designed China and India, for instance, with a bigger picture in mind. That's why individual pre-imperial kingdoms from these areas were not normally included. Same applies to Greece, Rome and Mongols.

The proposed final list was based on the following criteria:

- empires/kingdoms with long periods of independence
- well-known forces in history
- geographic distribution
- some modern nations included

The list:

Akkad
Aland
Andorra
Angeln
Anjouan
Arakan
Aryani
Ashanti
Atholl
Axum
Basques
Batavii
Belgium
Bhutan
Boeotoi
Brunei
Buganda
Burma
Champa
Chimu
Cimmerians
Colchis
Cyprus
Dahomey
Diaokhi
Dilmun
Dorian
Doros
Dorpat
Drutsk
Dyfed
Epirus
Estonia
Fosdinovo
Frisia
Fulani
Gaya
Ghaznavid
Gok Turks
Guria
Hausa
Hsiung-Nu
Hunza
Iceland
Kerelaputra
Khazars
Khwarazm
Laconia
Ladakh
Lesos
Locria
Luxembourg
Lydia
Maguindanao
Malta
Mandara
Merovingians
Mingrelia
Moche
Mossi
Mycenae
Nan Chao
Nazca
Nogai
Offaly
Oman
Osroene
Paekche
Parthia
Pechenegs
Pegun
Phrygia
Pomerania
Quadi
Quiche
San Marino
Seleucid
Seljuqs
Sikkim
Silla
Sri Lanka
Suevi
Swazi
Tatar
Teutons
Thrace
Toltec
Trabizond
Tusculum
Udaipur
Urartu
Vandals
Wessex
Xi-Xia

All comments welcome. Adding to the list is always possible, but we should try to respect the criteria.

 

[Head Serf]

Looks like an accurate and well-compiled list! I can't wait until Civ Gold 4.0 comes out!

 

[Jerrymander]

Is not Oman part of the Arabian Empire?

Or the Yemen?

 

[Wyz_sub10]

Is not Oman part of the Arabian Empire?

Or the Yemen?

I think you could remove Oman as being part of Arabia, but it's been an autonomous state for so long that I thought it be okay to include them. But yeah, I think you're right.

As for Yemen...well, that was a civ I did by request, and I really liked the way it turned out.

 

[Fierabras]

There are lot of these barbarian civs who are going to be included in CIV Gold 4.0 BTS, but there are also some that have to be excluded.

In BTS you have Events. In these events there are a couple of "Barbarian uprisings" which use barbarian civ names in their texts. These civs are:

Goths, Vandals, Huns, Vedic Aryans, Philistines

These will be excluded to avoid overlap/confusion, but might return as a small add-on download.

 

[TheLastOne36]

How about the Garamentes?

 

[Gurra09]

Akkad, is a city for the Babylonians, so I think you should remove. It's the second city on their city list.


Gurra09

 

[Wyz_sub10]

Akkad, is a city for the Babylonians, so I think you should remove. It's the second city on their city list.


Gurra09

Will do. This was developed prior to BtS, so I will have to check for any similar duplication.

 

[Agent327]

Akkad, is a city for the Babylonians, so I think you should remove. It's the second city on their city list. Gurra09

That's odd as it's actually a Sumerian city and one of the earliest to rise to great power through Sargon. (One might even argue that Babylon is a Sumerian city.)

 

[Wyz_sub10]

I've finished the final Barbarian list, and it's roughly the same as above, with a few changes (plus I've retained a few Firaxis names that I didn't have originally).

 

[Fierabras]

That's odd as it's actually a Sumerian city and one of the earliest to rise to great power through Sargon. (One might even argue that Babylon is a Sumerian city.)

Civ has a tendency to use grouping names. In this case I consider the Sumerian empire similar to Native American empire or the Greek empire. I agree that you could call Babylon a Sumerian city as well.