The new rules - long form

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As a member of the CFC community it is important that you become familiar with the expectations we have for participating and the specific rules our moderating staff enforces. As you read through the following text, please keep in mind that no set of rules or list of inappropriate behaviors can ever be complete enough to show every possible situation. These rules are the guidelines that the staff uses in maintaining order and civility at CFC. While an effort has been made to clarify many situations, the moderators can, and will, interpret these rules and apply them to specific situations as they see fit. We cannot hope to cover every single rule in detail, nor write specific rules to cover every single contextual situation.

We are not publishing these rules so that “bush lawyers” can use them to try to prove that the moderating team or the rules are inconsistent. We have published them so you can better understand why moderators and Administrators do what they do. Moderators are encouraged to use discretion in the application of these rules and should not be expected or assumed to blindly apply "the rules" in each and every case.

The rules apply to all aspects of the forum, including Private Messages (with the exception of the English-language rule by mutual consent(below)), Social Groups, Visitor Messages and Tags.

New posters to CFC should read all the rules. the New Members: Getting Started section that tells you about how new accounts are restricted until specific thresholds (postcount and days since joining) are met. That section also provides an overview of how to personalize your account.

ESSENTIALS: What it means to be a member of our community
NEW MEMBERS: Account restrictions and personalization
POSTING IN THE FORUMS: Getting started
CIVILITY & DISCUSSION: Our expectations of you
WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED: :nono:
FORUM MODERATION: :hammer:
APPEALING MODERATOR ACTIONS:

The Rules

ESSENTIALS
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Your agreement with us
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, racist, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this forum. In addition, if you post at this site, what you post .....

Your rights to Freedom of Speech don't apply here.
You are welcome to have opinions. You are welcome to question certain subject matter posted on these forums. You are welcome to dislike a certain post or disagree with it. Though we typically encourage people to express their opinions and ideas, we have the right to delete yours if necessary, should we consider it abusive, inappropriate or not in the best interests of the community. Remember: This is a public forum, and your posts are indexed and can be found by search engines. This means that they can be found by friends, family, employers or the like. Take care with what you post, as CFC cannot guarantee your anonymity on this forum.

Your account is for YOU only
You may use your account to post your opinions, your thoughts, and your views within the guidelines stated on this page. You may NOT use your account to post for people who are not members or have had their posting permissions removed. You also may not grant others access to your account.

Piracy
We have zero tolerance for piracy. This includes posting pirated material, linking to pirated material, telling people how to avoid copy-protection etc, or even advocating piracy. We also consider "abandonware" to be piracy, as it has no official legal recognition. Please do not link to abandonware sites.

Failure to follow these guidelines may result in removal of your posting privileges
Depending on the severity of your violation and the number of times you have previously violated the Forum Guidelines, the Administration may choose to suspend your posting privileges or terminate your account. If you are suspended you will not be able to post on our forums for an amount of time to be determined by the Administration.

Multiple accounts are not permitted
Create one account, make sure you're satisfied with the name, and keep it. Be sure to choose your user name carefully. If you wish to change your user name for whatever reason, please contact the admins, but realize that name changes are not granted quickly nor in every case.

We reserve the right to change these rules and policies at any time
It is YOUR responsibility to read announcements regarding rules and policy changes. Ignorance is no excuse. Announcements are located above the threads list table inside each forum.


NEW MEMBERS
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New member Restrictions
Newly registered members may not use signatures, e-mail forum members, post visitor messages, use the private messaging system or join or create social groups, until they have been members for 5 days AND have at least 5 posts.

Postcount titles & avatars
Each poster has a title and an optional avatar image shown below his/her username. The default titles are Chieftain, Warlord, Prince, King, Emperor, and Deity. The minimum postcounts required are listed below:

Chieftain (Minimum Posts: 0)
Warlord (Minimum Posts: 100)
Prince (Minimum Posts: 300)
King (Minimum Posts: 600)
Emperor (Minimum Posts: 1000)
Deity (Minimum Posts: 2000)

You can also put a picture, or avatar, under your name. There are hundreds of Civish avatars for you to choose from.

If you have 30 posts AND have been registered for 30 days, you can give yourself a custom title and a custom non-animated avatar. The dimension limit of custom avatars is 70x70 pixels and size limit is 4 KB.

If you have 100 posts AND have been registered for 100 days, you can give yourself a custom non-animated avatar up to 100x100 pixels and 6 KB in size.


You can change your title or avatar in your My Account page.

Keep your signature brief
This forum has a signature feature that allows you to "sign" your posts with a customized block of text. The text may include links to other sites (as long as they are within the forum rules) and emoticons. No derogatory references to other members, spoiler tags, quote tags, or youtube tags are allowed in signatures.

Signatures are limited to 5 lines of regular (size 2) text. Using smaller text (size 1) allows 7 lines of text. Larger text (size 3) allows 3 lines of text. No text size larger than size 3 should be used. The number of lines for any text size includes blank lines and room used by emoticons and is evaluated at 1024x768 resolution.

Zero tolerance on piracy
Posting links to warez sites and program cracks (including no-CD crack) are not allowed on the forum. Anyone found guilty of participating in piracy activity on the forum will be punished.

Behave as you would in a public location
This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being. If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.


POSTING IN THE FORUMS
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Starting a new thread
Creating a thread carries a responsibility and we hold opening posts (OP) to a higher standard than other posts.

CFC is primarily a discussion forum, and topics posted should be such that decent discussion is possible. If you are presenting a news article for discussion, you are required to note what specific aspect you wish to discuss (just posting "discuss" or similar is insufficient). In posting a news or media article, you are strongly encouraged to also post a link to the source of the article. If you do provide a link to an article or story, please quote a relevant section of the link that summarizes the discussion you want to start. Occasional 'light' topics such as "what is your favorite ..." are tolerated, but even these threads should be presented in a way to promote discussion (such as asking posters to explain their answer). A thread that supports 'closed' answers or mostly single-word or single-line responses may be closed as spam or postcount (pc) threads. If your opening post in a thread doesn't meet the requirements of a decent discussion, the thread is likely to get closed and you will be infracted. Please state clearly what you want to discuss, why it might be interesting and your opinion on the matter. Please also check whether there is already a current thread on the same topic before you open a new one. Duplicate threads are usually merged and the one first started will appear in the list of threads.

Post in the correct forum
The forums are well-organised, and we want them to stay that way. Ensure that the thread topic you post is relevant to the forum you are posting it. If you’re unsure, ask a moderator. Please note that in the Creation and Customisation forums, the “main” forums are where questions are to be posted. The various sub-forums are not for questions.

Spelling and grammar
English is not everyone's first language. Not everyone has perfect language skills. As such, don't comment on other peoples' ability to spell words correctly or construct sentences. If you cannot understand their meaning, you may let them know in a nice manner.

The forum is an English language forum
Threads must be posted in English. If you need to post a short phrase in another language, provide an English translation with it. If it is found that you have posted something in a language other than English which breaks the rules (eg. the bad language rule, or flaming), you will be infracted for it.

Other languages are allowed in signatures and user titles etc, however a translation should be provided in this thread.

There are some threads to help people learn other languages. English translations are required in these as well.

1337-sp34K (or variants) is not considered English language. "U" instead of "you" is mildly tolerated, but some grumpy old-fashioned moderators may be annoyed by it.

Images and file attachments
Currently we have the tag and the file attachment feature enabled. For files under 500 KB, you may use the attachment feature to attach the file. In addition, you can use Easy Upload to upload bigger files to the file server. You can help free up valuable forum server space and also improve forum performance by deleting any attachments you no longer need at the attachment management section of your User CP.

If you need to attach images often, we recommend using these easy to use free image hosting services: PhotoBucket or ImageShack. For temporary hosting of large files or if you need to send a big file to another member, you can use the free YouSendIt service, which allows you to upload up to 1 GB and they host the file for 1 week.

[B]Spam[/B]
Spam is posting something that does not make a significant contribution to the discussion at hand. The forums are discussion forums, and it is therefore expected that posters will post in a way that contributes to discussion. It is also expected that new threads will promote discussion. Moderators may periodically allow some lighter or more frivolous threads, but this will be at their discretion. Posting isolated links without meaningful poster input as to the value of such a link does not contribute to the discussion as will be considered spam. There is a lower tolerance for spam in threads where there is a good discussion taking place.

Moderators have zero tolerance for threads that are really spammy (eg. post a number, post a letter of the alphabet) or which are started merely as a vehicle to troll, flame or chat.

[B]Quoting other posters or sites[/B]
You are responsible for everything in your post. If you quote something that someone else has posted, you are responsible for that content as well as your own. If that content is offensive, you may find yourself infracted for it, even though you were not the original poster.

Quoting someone and changing their quote to change the meaning of what they posted is acceptable, provided it is made very clear that you have changed the quote. And what part you changed.

Quoting someone only to agree with them may be tolerated depending upon the specific forum or subforum, but please try to add your own thoughts (ie. Don’t just post “I agree” or similar). If you persistently post such non contributions to the discussion, your post may well be considered spam by the mods and be deleted or infracted.

[B]Copycat threads[/B]
We like a variety of discussion. Periodically, a thread topic may inspire someone to post a similar topic. If too many threads on very similar topics are made, moderators may choose to limit the numbers of these (for example the "ask a..." threads).

[B]Non Discussion Threads[/B]
Outside of the civilization forums there are forums where non discussion threads are allowed under specific rules and conditions. Guidelines and rules for such threads are posted within the subforums or threads involved. Theses threads will be archived to a non-postcount forum once they reach 1000 posts.

[B]Picture threads[/B]
There are several picture threads that are periodically renewed. They will be archived to a non-postcount forum once they reach 1000 posts. For each of these individual threads, please read the rules in the opening post. Discussion is allowed in these threads, provided it is meaningful discussion of the pictures posted. Off-topic discussions are not permitted.

[B]Forum Games[/B]
The Forum Games subforum is the place where a variety of game threads are allowed. Such games are not to be run outside of the Forum Games subforum. This is a no postcount forum.

[B]Elitism and personal threads[/B]
In the forums, we expect everyone to treat other posters equally and fairly. As such, threads that suggest that some members are better, funnier, more popular etc, and threads that discuss specific forum members, either positively or negatively are not allowed.

Periodically, threads that discuss forum members or attributes of forum members that are 'neutral' (neither positive or negative) may be allowed. An example from the past has been to post pictures that you associate with certain members. It is strongly recommended that you seek moderator approval before posting these types of threads. Moderators may make them 'conditional' (for example, that people have to give their permission before they can be discussed in the thread). Such threads will be closely monitored, and trolling and flaming are not tolerated in them.

Birthday threads are permitted, but only for people who are regularly active in the particular forum that the birthday thread is posted in. That means that they must have been members for at least a number of months, and contributed a number of posts / content to that forum.

Occasionally, threads where an individual wants to discuss something from their personal life may be permitted. It is recommended that you ask a moderator first and even more strongly recommended that you take care in posting personal information about yourself.

[B]Banter and Chat[/B]
'Banter' between 'friends' is treated no differently from any other forum posts. For example, if you flame a 'friend' and think that because you don't really 'mean it' then it is OK, it will still be considered as flaming and dealt with accordingly. Moderators to not have the time, nor inclination, to check with each person whether they are offended by the flaming, and it would also result in the appearance that the rules are not applied consistently.

If you want to “chat” with another member, please do not do so in one of the threads; use the civ chat site; XXXXXX
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[COLOR="#0000ff"][B]CIVILITY & DISCUSSION[/B][/COLOR]
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A primary goal of CivFanatics is to promote interesting and useful discussion of topics that interest our members. Not being civil in your posts will result in you being infracted by the mods and could result in bans from the site or forum if you continue to post in such a manner after having been told to stop. Trolling, flaming, name calling and insulting are not permitted. Direct threats of violence to other posters, sincere or not, will likely result in an immediate ban.

Identifying flaming and trolling posts can be a very subjective decision depending upon the context. At CFC our moderators make the call on what is acceptable and what is not.

[B]Flaming[/B]
Flaming is essentially posting something that insults, or is intended to insult, another poster. Flaming is not limited to only direct insults. Indirect insults, such as posts which characterise an opinion, a person or a group of people negatively are also not tolerated.

Examples:
You are an idiot.
This is a direct insult, and is not allowed.

Anyone who thinks [related to opinion poster is debating issue] is an idiot.
This is an indirect insult, and is not allowed.

Only an idiot would say that.
Again, this is an indirect insult, and is not allowed.

Everyone defending this is an idiot.
Again, in context this is an indirect insult, and is not allowed.

Flaming is generally limited to forum members. "Flaming" of celebrities or public figures etc. is generally tolerated, provided that the aim of this is not specifically to annoy supporters of that celebrity on the forums.

[B]Trolling[/B]
Trolling is posting something with the intent to annoy or to generate a negative reaction from other people. It can be interpreted as anything for which it is reasonably foreseeable (in the moderators' opinion) that someone will react to it. It can be a very grey issue, and moderators will use their discretion and judgement. Examples of things that are generally considered trolling are as follows:
• Extending a negative issue to a wide group of people. For example, if one member of a group, religion, political persuasion or ethnicity does something bad, a post that implies that all members of this group, religion, political persuasion or ethnicity are similar, this is considered trolling.
• Posting a very negative topic or post about a certain group. Eg. "Why are all (race, gender, ethnicity, political affiliation) stupid / fat / boring" etc.
• Discussing the person, and not the topic. Ad hominems are generally not tolerated. We want people to focus on the discussion topic, not on the people discussing it. As a guideline, if your post only discusses the person (eg. their opinions, their background etc.) and is not related to the topic, you may be considered to be trolling. Discussing the poster, when civil and directly relevant to the topic, may be tolerated.
• Using personal information gained about people to attack them, or to get them to react in an unrelated thread. E.g. if you know that someone has gone to a certain university, works a certain profession, or is a certain religion, making oblique comments about this may be considered trolling (even if you don't mention the posters specifically).
• Mocking someone by copying their posting style, thread topics, spelling, language etc.
• Posting a thread on a controversial topic, but not posting anything that is really a point for discussion.
• Generally being rude. Being overly critical, or expressing your opinions in a rude manner.
• Passing comments on the style with which another poster posts, or the quality of their posts - stick to discussing the points they are making.

In short, be civil, polite and discuss the topic. If you disagree with someone's opinion, you are free to state why you disagree with it, but you must be polite in doing so.

You should not pass negative judgement on the quality of other peoples' arguments (eg. referring to their opinions or posts as 'clueless', 'moronic', 'ignorant', 'stupid', ‘fail’ etc). Some leeway is allowed to discuss the quality of peoples’ posts or what you believe their intent is, provided it is not rude or abrasive (“Nope, you haven’t convinced me”, “You should post some evidence to support your position”).
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[COLOR="#0000ff"][B]WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED[/B][/COLOR]
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[B]Bad Language[/B]
Our basic philosophy is that there is nothing that anyone needs to say on our forums that require them to swear/cuss. If you can't get your point across without swearing, then you will be infracted.

This forum is considered a PG forum. We have an autocensor that will catch many swear/cuss/bad words, but not necessarily all. Just because a word isn’t caught by the autocensor, doesn’t give you permission to use it.

The autocensor will prevent your posting any of the XX words in its dictionary, but not all swear words or variations on them. Do not rely on the autocensor to do your thinking for you. Finding ways to get around the ban on swearing or using foul language may result in an infraction.

Intentionally bypassing the autocensor (using various tricks so that the autocensor does not change your word block your post, and the meaning / intent of the word can be easily interpreted, you will be infracted. There is one exception to this language restriction. You may use a string of symbols such as #!%&*#@ to express yourself as long as no specific meaning can be derived from the combination of symbols or how the symbols fit with the English language text around it.

Acceptable: $%&$#@*#^
Not acceptable:
*%#& you!
You $^*@#($% bastard
How can you be so %#&*@# stupid?
Etc.

These language rules also apply to words in pictures, and words in non-English languages. They also apply to any page you link to in your post or signature that is one click away from the CFC page where the link is located.

Moderators may choose to simply delete posts or warn for minor offences (depending on context) rather than infract. People who insist on pushing the boundaries or moderation patience will not get such leniency. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban. Posters who find inappropriate language in a post are encouraged to report the post.

[B]Advertising[/B]
Advertising is not allowed in any forum. Commercial advertising will be deleted on-sight, and the poster will receive a permanent ban. Commercial advertising, even in your signature, is not permitted.

Advertising extends to posting a thread in one forum, trying to solicit people to visit a thread in another forum. If you want to do this, then place the advertisement in your signature.

External links related to the thread topic - such as to other history forums, or news articles - are acceptable.

If you have a civilization-related link to advertise, you can place one thread about it in our Other Civ Related Sites forum, or you may advertise it in your signature. For people wanting to advertise other things of interest to Civ players, you must receive permission from an admin first.

[B]Inappropriate content[/B]
This is a family-friendly forum. We do not want, for example, people coming here to talk about Civ and being exposed to (in particular) sexual content. While we tolerate some discussion of adult issues, we do not permit discussions that are explicit. We allow "babe" and "hunk" threads to post pictures, and these have their own rules (read the first post in each thread for those rules). We generally operate with a one-click rule as well: You may not link directly (one click) to any page that contains content that is not allowed at this forum. Inappropriate content can refer to other topics as well that are very context related. Moderators may at any time close threads or delete content that they deem inappropriate or not in keeping with the purposes of this site or of a specific forum. Advocating cruelty, violence, hateful or illegal actions may well fall under the category of inappropriate content and be deleted or infracted.

[B]Piracy[/B]
We have zero tolerance for piracy. This includes posting pirated material, linking to pirated material, telling people how to avoid copy-protection etc, or even advocating piracy. We also consider "abandonware" to be piracy, as it has no official legal recognition. Please do not link to abandonware sites.

[B]Posting about Illegal Activities[/B]
We do not allow people to post anything that advocates illegal activities (such as illicit drug use). We also, obviously, do not permit people to post things in violation of the law, particularly US law. We do not allow people to advocate for the death of anybody. In particular, DO NOT make anything that could even remotely be construed as a death threat (joking or otherwise) to anyone, or encourage them to harm others or themselves. This is illegal, and will result in an immediate ban. Threats of violence will also result in a ban. This applies to PMs and visitor messages as well.

[b]Respect other Civ sites[/b]
We have friendly relationships with other Civ fansites and would like to keep it that way. Being disrespectful to them or whining about happenings at another Civ site is not permitted.
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part 2:
FORUM MODERATION
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List of current Moderators, Supermods, Staff and Admins

Thunderfall, the owner of CFC, has an appointed staff of Admins and Moderators to solve problems and keep order. They act as a team and individually to enforce the rules. Moderators are assigned to specific forums and each forum has identified lead moderators who set the standards for how the rules will be enforced within that forum or subforum and if any special rules will be applied because of the nature of the forum. While the rules as stated above apply to all forums and subforums, moderators do have the leeway to be more or less strict about how they are interpreted within their areas. What is considered spam may be different in Humor and Jokes and Forum Games than in a Civ 5 strategy thread. Any special consideration or rules will be noted in the specific forum or thread. While we try to be consistent, we don't read every post. A perceived lack of consistency is not a defence for people who break the rules ('but they did it too!'). If you think a post breaks the rules, then report it, don't consider it a license to break the rules yourself.
There are three important things to keep in mind regarding the mods and moderation: do not discuss mod action publicly; report posts that you feel are out of line; and communicate with mods in a civil manner.

Public discussion of moderator actions (PDMA)
Public discussion of actions taken or not taken by moderators or admins is not permitted. If you have a problem with something a moderator has done, then PM the moderator concerned. If you are not aware of which moderator made the action, then PM one of the moderators of that particular forum. Moderators are required to answer you and justify their actions, but they are not necessarily required to agree with you. If you do not get a response to the PM or are not happy with the response, then you can request a review, see details below. In your PMs, it is highly recommended that you be polite. There are occasions where moderators get something wrong, but generally this is a perception issue, and they may not have seen something in the same way that you have. Remember this if you want to have a constructive discussion with the moderators.

General discussion of how and why moderators do what they do are permitted in the Site Feedback forum when the discussion is in the spirit of improving the forum. Discussing specific incidents of warnings, infractions, bans, specific posters or moderators is not allowed. A statement of a fact of a warning, infraction or ban you yourself have received without value judgements is allowed. Publicly discussing a specific instance as a "hypothetical" is not allowed.

Moderator Abuse
Moderators do not deserve abuse, public or private, even if they have made a mistake. Abusive PMs sent to moderators will be forwarded to the administrators. If they decide that the PM is abusive, the original sender may be infracted. Such infractions are for the abuse and not related to the correctness or incorrectness of the original mod action.

Closed threads
If a moderator closes a thread for any other reason than it has reached 1000 posts, then before you open another identical or similar one, you should PM the moderator for permission. This is because it has been closed for a good reason, and the moderator wants the discussion (or spam) to cease. Failure to do so can result in an infraction.

Use the "report post" function
If you see a post that has broken the rules, then please use the Report Post function (
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/or in Black CFC
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), and allow the moderators to deal with it. Please note: Reporting a post does not give you immunity from infractions, and it does not give you the right to break the rules yourself in responding to the post (eg. flaming in return to someone flaming you). Do not post that you have reported someone else, as that is likely to inflame the situation rather than calm it, and is therefore considered trolling.

If you do not see action taken in response to your reported post after a suitable amount of time (approx. 24 hours), you may inquire politely of the forum moderator as to why no action was taken. Abusing this opportunity or arguing uncivilly with moderators over their decisions is not advised.

Do not take moderating into your own hands. Telling people to "stop trolling" or "stop flaming" or "warning" is unlikely to stop them, and may make the situation worse. As such, this may be considered trolling. This also applies to telling people that you have reported their posts.

Moderator tags
Use of the moderator warning tags by non-moderators will usually result in an immediate ban once it comes to our attention. If a moderator edits a moderator tag into your post, deleting it will usually result in a significant infraction.

Use of the ignore function
You can add people to your ignore list, which will passively hide their posts from you (you can still read them if you wish by clicking on them). However, please do not advertise who you have on your ignore list, or that you have added someone to your ignore list. That is considered trolling.

APPEALING MODERATOR ACTIONS
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The Process
If a poster feels that they have been wrongly infracted or banned, they may ask for a review of the infraction or the ban by the SUPERMODS. This new process replaces the previous process of appealing to the ADMINS. All reviews follow the same steps.

1. Member PMs a designated supermod
2. The supermod acknowledges the PM and posts the request in the infraction review subforum (a non public forum)
3. Clearly frivolous requests will be dismissed and the poster notified that their request has been denied
4. Non frivolous requests will be reviewed by at least three supermods, one of whom will be from the area of the forums where the infraction took place.
5. The mod who gave the infraction will be asked to clarify their reasoning on the infraction.
6. Poster is notified of the outcome
7. The decision of this panel is final and no further appeals will be considered by the Supermods or Admins.

The Details

While all supermods will participate in review discussions, only those specified below should be sent a request for review: Knight Dragon, Birdjaguar, Daveshack, Mathilda, Methos, Plotinus, and Turner. They have the responsibility to start the process. If you have not received an acknowledgement within 24 hours, you may resend your request to a different supermod on this list. Warnings are not reviewable; don’t waste our time.

Requests for review are required to be presented in a polite manner. Posters should include the following with a request for review. Failure to include all of this information may result in your request being denied out of hand. This initial PM is your opportunity to tell your side of the story. Once the process starts, you may not be contacted until it is over. Incivility or abusive language will not help your cause.
--Reference to infraction in question.
--All previous PMs with the mod issuing the infraction.
--Why you think that the infraction is wrong.
--What outcome you are seeking.

IMPORTANT! - Please note that the requests of posters who persistently ask for a review for all, almost all, or most of their infractions (you know who you are) will not be granted, and those posters will generally be dealt with in the same manner as those who abuse the report posts function. The drive behind this change is to provide an opportunity for people who genuinely feel they have been wrongly infracted to have that infraction re-examined by a panel of the more experienced supermods; we will not allow frivolous requests to clog up the infraction system with even more unnecessary paperwork.

 
This has been worked by supermods, approved by admins and posted here for your comments before it will be made official.
 
A couple of Questions:

In the appeal process, are we still supposed to attempt resolving the problem with the appropriate mod first? I would presume so but it isn't mentioned.

Can you define "Calling for the death of somebody?" Does this mean if you suggest that a murderer or other high criminal should be executed? Or does this mean calling for someone's death outside of the law? I would assume the latter but it should be clarified, if not in the rules than at least by a mod.
 
On appeals, you should try to resolve the problem with the mod first.

I think it would be a good idea to place that in the appeals process section, since there might be people who wouldn't know of the old appeals process beforehand.
 
I think it would be a good idea to place that in the appeals process section, since there might be people who wouldn't know of the old appeals process beforehand.
The new appeals procedure will get its own announcement, when it goes live. But yes, it shld be added in, in the new rules template.

Currently we're working out the remaining minor details in it...
 
Adding my comments from the Rules SG here for wider consumption and consolidation of feedback. These are in regard to the point scales for infractions/bans.

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What about reversing the scale somewhat, so that it is harder to get the first ban, but then much easier to get subsequent ones? Something like this:

Ban levels:
15 points 7 days
30 points 2 weeks
40 points 1 month
45 points 2 months
50 points 4 months On the third occurrence of this, a user is permbanned
80 points – adbots

Since the points last a full 12 months now, the problem posters would start getting bans fairly quickly, but then would have to really start watching their behavior to prevent further bans as they come much more easily.

If I have earned 30 points in the past year, I really need to think hard about my posting.

If I have earned 5 in the last year, I may have just made a couple of dumb mistakes.

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Is there a way to layer in a secondary ban scale? This second scale could start after one of the longer bans, say a 1 month ban. It wouldn’t replace the main scale, but act in conjunction with it, and last for 12 months after the lifting of the 1 month ban.

It could be as simple as every 5 points earns you an additional week or two off. You would keep earning points in the main scale as well, and those standard bans would also be in effect.

This way, it would be much more discouraging for the chronic point earners to maintain a high level of points to avoid additional bans.

A poster may come out of a 1 month ban with 41 points. With previous infractions expiring, they could keep getting infractions to stay above the 40 point threshold as others have explained already.

With this secondary scale, each additional 5 points they get to keep their level above 40 will earn them a new (short) ban.

Current Proposal:
Come out of a 1 month ban, have 41 points
8 points expire, so poster “manages” to get infracted for 2 cases of trolling/flaming (8 new points) to stay at 41 points, thus avoiding an additional ban. This can go on indefinitely where the poster keeps getting infracted as their previous points expire.

Proposed Secondary Scale:
Come out of a 1 month ban, have 41 points
8 points expire, so poster “manages” to get infracted for 2 cases of trolling/flaming (8 new points) to stay at 41 points.
These new infractions earn the poster a two week ban.
Poster comes out of 2 week ban, has 41 points (nothing expired while he was away)
4 more points are about to expire, so poster “manages” to get infracted for trolling to stay at 41 points.
This new infraction gets him yet another 2 week ban (4 points, plus 3 carried over from previous 8 points).
Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
 
What about reversing the scale somewhat, so that it is harder to get the first ban, but then much easier to get subsequent ones? Something like this:

Ban levels:
15 points 7 days
30 points 2 weeks
40 points 1 month
45 points 2 months
50 points 4 months On the third occurrence of this, a user is permbanned
80 points – adbots

Since the points last a full 12 months now, the problem posters would start getting bans fairly quickly, but then would have to really start watching their behavior to prevent further bans as they come much more easily.
I like this. :)

I'll repost in staff, for further discussion. ;)

Is there a way to layer in a secondary ban scale? This second scale could start after one of the longer bans, say a 1 month ban. It wouldn’t replace the main scale, but act in conjunction with it, and last for 12 months after the lifting of the 1 month ban.
I may be wrong but I don't think this is possible, system-wise...
 
Why is abandonware considered to be piracy? I think it's not. Could some mod pelase answer me? It's not the first time I've asked.
 
Why is abandonware considered to be piracy? I think it's not. Could some mod pelase answer me? It's not the first time I've asked.

Because there's no such thing as abandonware, it's just a term that warez sites hosting old games made up for the old pirated games they host.

There are a fair number of old games which the publishers have released the copyright on, those would be fine for discussion.
 
The blue is quite harsh on the black skin, other than that I enjoy my ignorance of the rules and don't intend that to change ;)
 
Because there's no such thing as abandonware, it's just a term that warez sites hosting old games made up for the old pirated games they host.
I disagree on this, many old games are/were owned by companies and/or persons that no longer exist. Why should I be unable to play a 25-year old game that isn't owned by anybody?
Zelig said:
There are a fair number of old games which the publishers have released the copyright on, those would be fine for discussion.
Of course! Putting those under 'piracy' is downright ludicrous.
 
A formal appeals process. This is quite an improvement. And it seems the structure is in place to handle this feature.

Hats off to you!
 
This should be our new avatar then,
creative-commons-copyleft-people.gif

except for the fact that they might consider it to be a pro-piracy avvie.
 
US copyright law may probably often be harsher than some other nations and as again, the forum wants to especially keep within the law in US jurisdiction that's a possible explanation for it, or the rules on discussing such.

But more importantly, when I read this thread I wanted to say I am really impressed with the new rules written out this way. It's evident the mods put in a lot of hard work - this type of thing is a work in progress certainly and there's bound to be little things people disagree with. But I think overall all the new emphasis and explanations were very much needed, and hopefully will be effective, for spelling out the rules across the forums. How to post threads, have an avatar, etc... was always fine (and of course still is) and suits random civ discussion but I think Off-topic and other forums desperately needed newer, specific guidelines like what's in the ruleset now, so kudos.
 
Why is abandonware considered to be piracy? I think it's not. Could some mod pelase answer me? It's not the first time I've asked.

Its actually been adequately answered by zelig. "Abandonware" has no legal status. Those sites essentially say: "Hey - here's a game we've pirated for your enjoyment". They claim that they will remove it if the copyright owner asks them to. What they are essentially doing is assuming that the copyright owner won't. That does not make what they are doing legal, and as I have seen a number of games that are still commercially available for purchase on these sites, it is pretty clear that they are a mix of gray-area and outright piracy.

Happy to discuss, but we won't change our mind on it.
 
If you won't change your minds then I won't bother arguing, I'll just let my protest stand and drop the subject as we don't see eye to eye on this one.
 
Bumped for convenience.
 
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