I agree, but here's hoping things can change. I at least vote with my money and don't buy any DLC until they're available at a huge discount in the future.
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I agree, but here's hoping things can change. I at least vote with my money and don't buy any DLC until they're available at a huge discount in the future.
EDIT: Actually i'm going to delete my other dot points because I don't want to come and troll around in a thread like this without a decent set of arguments and I didn't feel my arguments were constructive enough.
3. All of the DLC added up together doesn't cost $90. In Australian (which costs more dollars than American) it's only like $65 for every single DLC together. In American it'd be more like $55. Where the hell did you get the $90 figure from?
Thorburne
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Waah, waah, waah!!! If you don't want the new civs... that is your loss! $5 for a civ or two and some scenarios is nothing. Sure, it may add up in the long run, but at least I don't have to wait a year and a day for... maybe... something decent. I mean, since release, we have had, what, 6 civs and a few scenarios? That is way more than has ever been released in the expansions. Leave the expansions for the big changes (like implementing religions or espionage or something). Even with as broke as I am, I am more than happy to shell out a couple dollars every couple months or so for those new civs that allow my games to be more diverse. And since the downloadable civs through mods suck (not the fault of the modders... that lies with the tools), if we want new civs, this is how we get them. This is perfectly fine with me! Now, I just need Carthage and the Celts (well, Hebrew would be nice, too...).
I actually like the DLC model as I said before, but posting that really doesn't help discussion and such.
Thorburne
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Yeah... but I am just so frustrated with the crying over DLC. It is not that big a deal. There are other, much more impactful and important stuff to cry about with Civ V (not to mention the world outside of Civ V).
Still, I won't take it back. My mantra is "say what you mean and mean what you say"... and I am not one of those idiot celebrities who back tracks my comments because somebody might get offended. Most people will take the comment for what it is worth and move on. Those that are bothered by it... well, it was most likely directed at them.
Besides, I have had to put up with similar types of comments whenever I disagree with something in the game, so...
jtb1127
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Actually, someone is forcing me to buy it. The fact that consumers continue to spend money on DLC has made a trend that will likely stick. Developers will no longer release expansions but rather continue to release DLC because it is more profitable. So, if I want new civs I am going to have to give in to the DLC price.
I factored in the price of the original game.
There have been plenty more content released in previous expansions. I do this all the time but I'll do it again: I'll direct you to the BTS info center.
Truthy
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Let me help you out because you dont seem to understand:
Babylon: 4.99
Mediterranean $2.99
Asia 2.99
Americas 2.99
Mesopotmia 2.99
Spain and Inca 7.99
Polynesia 4.99
Vikings 4.99
Explorers map pack 4.99
Wonders of the ancient world 4.99
Korea 4.99
Total: $49.89
Now please Look at BTS.
sqeaky
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My opinion re: the new Wonders dlc, reposted from a previous thread:
IMHO:
I am a diehard Civ player since II, I love the game and go to far lengths to get the most out of it, but this is just totally lame, selling us game features piecemeal like this. If a new civilization was included I could understand it, maybe, but to sell wonders is just greedy and low. What's next, forests and rivers available only as dlc?
IMHO:
I am a diehard Civ player since II, I love the game and go to far lengths to get the most out of it, but this is just totally lame, selling us game features piecemeal like this. If a new civilization was included I could understand it, maybe, but to sell wonders is just greedy and low. What's next, forests and rivers available only as dlc?
Thorburne
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Actually, someone is forcing me to buy it. The fact that consumers continue to spend money on DLC has made a trend that will likely stick. Developers will no longer release expansions but rather continue to release DLC because it is more profitable. So, if I want new civs I am going to have to give in to the DLC price.
I factored in the price of the original game.
There have been plenty more content released in previous expansions. I do this all the time but I'll do it again: I'll direct you to the BTS info center.
First, DLC has not stopped expansions... just look at The Sims!
Second, the cost of Civ IV with its expansions would amount to over $100.
Third, I was referring to the Civs and Scenarios. As I said, leave the expansions for the game changing additions and updates (beyond the patch stuff) like new systems and such.
And your point???? Get the bundles, that will bring it down! Do you HAVE to have all of that? Really... if that is too much for you, might I suggest you take that $49.89, buy a ladder, and get over it.
I will give you that, Sqaeky. It is a little much for the DLC with just wonders. There is a scenario with it, though I think (with that one) the value would be a little better if the civs listed in the scenario could be playable in the regular game as well. That would be my only gripe. Though, I haven't downloaded yet and haven't really played any of the scenarios, so I am not sure how the scenario civs are.
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I was fairly agnostic about the DLC, but with this new release, I'm starting to get worried. I appreciate the ppl who say "it's no big deal to pay a few extra $$ for small updates", but I think that's a dangerous and slippery slope.
At this point, I feel like we are being nickle and dimed, and I'd rather have a full expansion for the $$ I've invested in DLC (and I've always waited for a Steam sale before buying any of the DLC).
My guess is that complaining about it will do little good as the majority of players are happy to open their wallets. But as an old-school gamer, this trend is a bit frightening. I'll continue to wait for sales, and if I can, I'll wait until all the DLC is bundled together for one low price... though at this point I've bought most of them. Sigh...
At this point, I feel like we are being nickle and dimed, and I'd rather have a full expansion for the $$ I've invested in DLC (and I've always waited for a Steam sale before buying any of the DLC).
My guess is that complaining about it will do little good as the majority of players are happy to open their wallets. But as an old-school gamer, this trend is a bit frightening. I'll continue to wait for sales, and if I can, I'll wait until all the DLC is bundled together for one low price... though at this point I've bought most of them. Sigh...
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Just because some devs embrace greedy practices, doesn't mean they all should.
Did you look at all of the content that cam with BtS and Warlords? It was well worth it. Without any expansions and some crappy DLC, civ v is already at $100.
Uuuugh. Once again compare the value of expansions to DLC. Just think about and you will stop with the silly jokes and understand why DLC is a rip off.
Well your making progress. Now you just take a step back and you will realize that $5 for a civ is too much as well.
I whole heatedly agree.
The thing is, surprisingly many people are afraid to feel "incomplete". It's very effective to do like Apple, i.e name their mobile phones Iphone, Iphone 2, Iphone 3 etc. Many people will constantly update their Iphones for no other apparent reason than having the latest. If Apple would have called their mobile phones "Apple Mobile Phone ZG11x5" and "Apple Mobile Phone ST135", it wouldn't have had the same effect on people, because it's really not about the functionality, it's about being afraid of feeling incomplete.
So, what has this to do with Civ 5? Well, everything. Remember how they sold the expensive "deluxe edition" that included action figures, and that special edition that included an extra Civ... Sure, most people would agree that 18 civs are satisfying and that those Babylonians weren't worth those extra bucks. But the knowledge of that other people, perhaps their classmates, have 19 civs instead, make them feel incomplete. They don't have access to ALL the content, it almost feels like playing a demo. So even if they don't even plan to use the Babylonians, they pay those extra bucks to be able to go to bed at night, knowing that they have access to all the official content.
A few weeks later some new, fresh, DLC is released, and they are again forced to buy it to be able to tell themselves that they own the complete game. After a while it becomes a habit, like some teenage girl getting a rush of buying new clothes that she'll hardly use. It's about staying up to date, to feel fresh. The game becomes their baby and they can't wait to buy new stuff to it.
This might sound a bit cynical, bad sadly, it's 100% true. Otherwise those special editions wouldn't exist. No one in their right mind would pay an extra $40 to get a bonus Civ or some action figures. So why do they do it? Because they want to feel complete.
What's a bit sad though, is that for many years, I considered many computer games a work of art. With new DLC's every month, I can't look at it that way anymore. It's more like the sell a foundation, and then sell individual bricks in different colors and shapes. If they release expansion packs, at least they have the chance to modify the old content to work better with the new additions. But this is just a sandbox. They offer you new toys to play around with for a while, without really caring about the overall gameplay. And the lead designer, that left the company as soon the game was released. It's pretty obvious that the passion is gone. It's really sad when I think of it.
So, what has this to do with Civ 5? Well, everything. Remember how they sold the expensive "deluxe edition" that included action figures, and that special edition that included an extra Civ... Sure, most people would agree that 18 civs are satisfying and that those Babylonians weren't worth those extra bucks. But the knowledge of that other people, perhaps their classmates, have 19 civs instead, make them feel incomplete. They don't have access to ALL the content, it almost feels like playing a demo. So even if they don't even plan to use the Babylonians, they pay those extra bucks to be able to go to bed at night, knowing that they have access to all the official content.
A few weeks later some new, fresh, DLC is released, and they are again forced to buy it to be able to tell themselves that they own the complete game. After a while it becomes a habit, like some teenage girl getting a rush of buying new clothes that she'll hardly use. It's about staying up to date, to feel fresh. The game becomes their baby and they can't wait to buy new stuff to it.
This might sound a bit cynical, bad sadly, it's 100% true. Otherwise those special editions wouldn't exist. No one in their right mind would pay an extra $40 to get a bonus Civ or some action figures. So why do they do it? Because they want to feel complete.
What's a bit sad though, is that for many years, I considered many computer games a work of art. With new DLC's every month, I can't look at it that way anymore. It's more like the sell a foundation, and then sell individual bricks in different colors and shapes. If they release expansion packs, at least they have the chance to modify the old content to work better with the new additions. But this is just a sandbox. They offer you new toys to play around with for a while, without really caring about the overall gameplay. And the lead designer, that left the company as soon the game was released. It's pretty obvious that the passion is gone. It's really sad when I think of it.
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This is just one little interesting stat regarding credit cards (which are one of the better barometers of peoples' fiscal responsibility)...
"In spring of 2008, only 15 percent of freshmen had a zero balance, down dramatically from 69 percent in the fall of 2004. The median debt freshmen carried was $939, nearly triple the $373 in 2004. (Source: Sallie Mae, "How Undergraduate Students Use Credit Cards," April 2009)
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I've never carried any credit card debt in my life, and I have yet to buy any of the DLC for any of my steam games. Not to say they aren't worth the money to some people, but as a person in his 30s who owns 2 newish vehicles and a condo outright and has zero debt, I have yet to see any steam DLC that was actually worth more than a buck, let alone the money they were asking.
If they offered an AI fix DLC for a couple bucks for Civ V, with the rationale that they had to hire a small team of specialists in order to fix it, I'd buy it in a second (forgiving for a moment that the game should've been released with a competent AI...). I'd buy one for a friend. But these DLCs are basically just fluff mods, and I'm getting better game-improvement mods from people around here who offer them for free. All the while, the fundamental game problems go un-fixed.
It kinda boggles my mind, honestly.
"In spring of 2008, only 15 percent of freshmen had a zero balance, down dramatically from 69 percent in the fall of 2004. The median debt freshmen carried was $939, nearly triple the $373 in 2004. (Source: Sallie Mae, "How Undergraduate Students Use Credit Cards," April 2009)
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I've never carried any credit card debt in my life, and I have yet to buy any of the DLC for any of my steam games. Not to say they aren't worth the money to some people, but as a person in his 30s who owns 2 newish vehicles and a condo outright and has zero debt, I have yet to see any steam DLC that was actually worth more than a buck, let alone the money they were asking.
If they offered an AI fix DLC for a couple bucks for Civ V, with the rationale that they had to hire a small team of specialists in order to fix it, I'd buy it in a second (forgiving for a moment that the game should've been released with a competent AI...). I'd buy one for a friend. But these DLCs are basically just fluff mods, and I'm getting better game-improvement mods from people around here who offer them for free. All the while, the fundamental game problems go un-fixed.
It kinda boggles my mind, honestly.
OmegaKabob
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I hate how I won't be able to get Korea or WotAW until God knows when. All because Aspyr is so dang slow! 3 Patches behind?! Really?! I probably won't be able to play Korea until November, and thats after school starts!
Yeah... I was pissed when I found out Spain wasn't going to be in the vanilla. Needed a Spanish speaking AI in the game.... otherwise the game just felt like it was missing a whole culture. Then I couldn't break the habit and bought most of the civs... it really went back to Civ IV: Colonization. I was pissed that they only included four European civs in the vanilla game, but the modders bailed me out with Portugal, Russia, and everyone else.
Not Firaxis' problem though, but I won't be purchasing Civ VI. And if the game doesn't continue to improve to the level that the June patch improved upon it, I will stop buying DLC. I'll need a patch of that significance every 6 months to justify any more purchasing.
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