The Official Perfection KOs Creationism Thread Part Three: The Return of the KOing!

[diablodelmar]

I shall enjoy seeing you burn in Hell.

:thumbdown WRONG! I won't be burning in hell. How can you say such things when you yourself are an atheist. Where will you go when you die? HUH? I like to believe I am going to meet my creator in heaven. I am afraid if you continue to disobey God's laws you are, unfortunatly, going to fry. In 70 or so years I guess we'll se who has the last laugh.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

:thumbdown WRONG! I won't be burning in hell. How can you say such things when you yourself are an atheist. Where will you go when you die? HUH? I like to believe I am going to meet my creator in heaven. I am afraid if you continue to disobey God's laws you are, unfortunatly, going to fry. In 70 or so years I guess we'll se who has the last laugh.

Ooh, spiritual blackmail, huh? What about me? I believe in God, and in Christ, and I try to follow him as best as I can. Do you really think I will be condemned to eternal torture just because I accept evolution based on the overwhelming evidence for it? I just can't accept any god who would do such a thing.

 

[The Last Conformist]

:thumbdown WRONG! I won't be burning in hell. How can you say such things when you yourself are an atheist. Where will you go when you die? HUH? I like to believe I am going to meet my creator in heaven. I am afraid if you continue to disobey God's laws you are, unfortunatly, going to fry. In 70 or so years I guess we'll se who has the last laugh.

I'm not the one breaking your God's commandment against lying here.

 

[El_Machinae]

There's a commandment against lying?

As much as 80% of all the Pottassium in a small sample of an iron meteorite can be removed by distilled water in 4.5 hours.

Just to avoid confusion, even if the potasium was washed out, the ratios of the isotopes would not change (they would wash out in the same way).

By analogy, if I mix a Rum and Coke, the ratio of the rum to the coke will be the same, no matter how much water I add.

 

[Bluemofia]

Well, there is a different way besides that. Also, those methods you've described are just as inaccurate as carbon dating.

Their accuracy has been measured against known values, such as the Hawaiian volcanoes over the hot spot in the Pacific.

The volcanoes form at a constant rate, and all they need to do is to measure it against the rate of volcano formation, and compare the values.

The values match up, so unless if you are stating that the basis of all math is incorrect (X is equivalent to itself), then uranium dating is accurate.

 

[diablodelmar]

Their accuracy has been measured against known values, such as the Hawaiian volcanoes over the hot spot in the Pacific.

The volcanoes form at a constant rate, and all they need to do is to measure it against the rate of volcano formation, and compare the values.

The values match up, so unless if you are stating that the basis of all math is incorrect (X is equivalent to itself), then uranium dating is accurate.

Then why do lava flows that we know errupted within the last century date thousands of years? Don't give me the answer "That didn''t happen" or "give me proof". Find it yourself, it did happen!

 

[Perfection]

Then why do lava flows that we know errupted within the last century date thousands of years? Don't give me the answer "That didn''t happen" or "give me proof". Find it yourself, it did happen!

Get out a ruler and try to measure the width of one of your hairs with it. What happens? Either you end up rounding up and get a bogus answer or you round down and get a bogus answer. Same thing here. These methods of radiometric dating simply don't work for stuff this recent. Not because the technique is flawed but because the scale the insturment is calibrated for is far too large for you to get meaningful results.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

There's a commandment against lying?

"Thou shalt not bear false witness", right after "Thou shalt not steal". Some versions add "...against thy neighbor" on the end, which may be why diablodelmar considers it legitimate to throw disproved claims at strangers on teh intarwebs.

The values match up, so unless if you are stating that the basis of all math is incorrect (X is equivalent to itself), then uranium dating is accurate.

Then why do lava flows that we know errupted within the last century date thousands of years? Don't give me the answer "That didn''t happen" or "give me proof". Find it yourself, it did happen!

Let me borrow IglooDude's habit of inconveniencing some electrons for the sake of clue transmission:

You are using the wrong tool for the job. You are using a metaphorical tape measure to measure a paramecium.

Assuming that the uranium dating being referred to is this form, the half-life is 245 000 years. A 1% margin of error will throw you two thousand years off.

Ooh, spiritual blackmail, huh?

He tried to pull this on me already. It seems clear that diablodelmar is spiritually bankrupt.

 

[diablodelmar]

Ahhh! Personal assault! Wow wow wow! Erik, take a chill pill dude...

 

[Perfection]

Ahhh! Personal assault! Wow wow wow! Erik, take a chill pill dude...

Don't forget to adress my point. Erik isn't the only person who wants a piece of you.

 

[diablodelmar]

Don't forget to adress my point. Erik isn't the only person who wants a piece of you.

Bring it on!

What is your point? Either repeat or give me a link to it. I'll make you wish you'd never been born.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

http://www.thepaincomics.com/Science vs. Norse.jpg

Hearing "Personal assault" from diablodelmar who's been telling Christians that they aren't Christian because they don't agree with diablodelmar's interpretation of the Bible is quite ridiculous. I request that he start reading about how the different forms of dating work, rather than mangling theology. Because literal interpretations of the Bible lead to some rather blatant contradictions.

Back on topic, I'd like to answer a random creationist question.

Q: If humans evolved from apes, how come there are still apes around?
A: Humans did not evolve from "apes" in the modern sense. What is meant is that humans and modern apes had a common ancestor, and this ancestor was closer to apes than humans are. This question is like asking why there are still Europeans around if modern Americans came from Europe.

 

[Perfection]

@Delmar

Oooh! A tough talker!

But can you back it up?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4108929&postcount=367

 

[The Last Conformist]

I'd be more inclined to take diablo's complaints about radiological dating seriously if they didn't evidence every sign of being recycled hovindisms, or if he'd reference any of his claims.

 

[diablodelmar]

http://www.thepaincomics.com/Science vs. Norse.jpg

Hearing "Personal assault" from diablodelmar who's been telling Christians that they aren't Christian because they don't agree with diablodelmar's interpretation of the Bible is quite ridiculous. I request that he start reading about how the different forms of dating work, rather than mangling theology. Because literal interpretations of the Bible lead to some rather blatant contradictions.

Back on topic, I'd like to answer a random creationist question.

Q: If humans evolved from apes, how come there are still apes around?
A: Humans did not evolve from "apes" in the modern sense. What is meant is that humans and modern apes had a common ancestor, and this ancestor was closer to apes than humans are. This question is like asking why there are still Europeans around if modern Americans came from Europe.

All of those """""""""contradictions"""""""""""" have an explanation.

 

[diablodelmar]

@Delmar

Oooh! A tough talker!

But can you back it up?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4108929&postcount=367

All of those dates give inaccurate estimates. One part of a measured mammoth was several hundred thousand years older than the other (+- 250 years). Why did this happen? It just goes to prove the inaccuracy of the method.

Oh and, for the record, its diablodelmar.

 

[Perfection]

For the record, its diablodelmar.

Quit stalling, make me wish I was never born and tear that link to shreds!

Edit: That was a fast ninja edit. I'll respond in a new post shortly.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

All of those """""""""contradictions"""""""""""" have an explanation.

As does accepting Jesus while rejecting creationism.

Then why do lava flows that we know errupted within the last century date thousands of years?

You've been answered now - you're using the wrong tool. What's the next question?

 

[diablodelmar]

I'd be more inclined to take diablo's complaints about radiological dating seriously if they didn't evidence every sign of being recycled hovindisms, or if he'd reference any of his claims.

Oh I do. Why do you shrug off Kent Hovind's claims simply because they are Kent Hovind's claims? Listen to them, they make scientific sense.

Btw, I get my information not only from him, but also other sources, like the Creation Ex Nihilo magazine.

 

[diablodelmar]

Quit stalling, make me wish I was never born and tear that link to shreds!

Edit: That was a fast ninja edit. I'll respond in a new post shortly.