The Official Perfection KOs Creationism Thread Part Three: The Return of the KOing!

[ironduck]

It's the second part of the sentence that's the issue.

edit - about the bumpersticker.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Well, if God said it, I will believe it and that will settle it. For me the issue is the first part - how can I be sure God really said it, or that it means what I think it means? Jesus spent a big part of the Gospels speaking in parables; it appears that Genesis is full of them as well.

 

[Che Guava]

Well, if God said it, I will believe it and that will settle it. For me the issue is the first part - how can I be sure God really said it, or that it means what I think it means? Jesus spent a big part of the Gospels speaking in parables; it appears that Genesis is full of them as well.

I've always felt that way about genesis and most of the bible. I mean, God didn't dictate the laws of thermodynamics to Moses either, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Can you imagine gensis if god did explain everything behind the creation of life?

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: it began with the creation of the deoxyribonucleic acid, which God arranged into a double helix, and it was good. Then He created small cells in which to place the DNA, which he called bacteria. Seeing that the bacteria were lonely, He moved on to....."

How do you explain the entire beauty and complexity of life and the earth to a man living in the desert? Probably by putting it into parables that emphasize the important parts, and leaves the details for us to figure out on our own...

 

[ironduck]

I kinda took the bumper sticker for meaning that 'god said it' as in 'god said it in the bible', therefore my issue is with the believing part (leaving no room for doubt).

 

[mdwh]

For instance, as I asked before, how is that we all know that murder is wrong.

Murder is wrong by definition. If you meant to say killing, few would agree that all killing is wrong, and there's great debate over what is and isn't acceptable killing.

To answer more generally - yes, science doesn't answer morals (on its own, though it can provide evidence to back up a point of view). That's what we have philosophy for. But I don't see how this affects science's validity at understanding the Universe.

 

[carlosMM]

bgast1, please, will you answer my last post to you?

 

[Phlegmak]

I watched all of this when I should have been working.

Link

All throughout this video, I thought Kent Hovind was speaking lies. I thought he was evil for doing so. However, what would his purpose be for that?

I must acknowledge that he believes he is doing the right thing to try to help me get to heaven. So, I can't really fault him for his beliefs, even if they are wildly wrong. Basically, the entire debate he had with Dr. Michael Shermer was worthless when you watch the last 3 or 4 minutes of the video. Hovind clearly states that what you believe about science is irrelevant; what matters is where you go when you die.

 

[solar]

I'm not necessarily saying that he doesn't believe what he says, but he has made a lot of money from saying this stuff.

 

[Bluemofia]

And then going ahead and not paying his taxes.

 

[ironduck]

He is lying and he knows it. He makes money lying. To people who want to hear they're going to heaven.

I call that a scam.

 

[MrCynical]

All throughout this video, I thought Kent Hovind was speaking lies. I thought he was evil for doing so. However, what would his purpose be for that?

As has been said, he's making a certain amount of money from it, but more likely I think it's inate refusal to admit he's wrong. People hate to have to admit this, whether the issue is of vital importance or is utterly trivial

 

[The Last Conformist]

I must acknowledge that he believes he is doing the right thing to try to help me get to heaven.

I see no reason to believe that is the case.

 

[Samson]

I see no reason to believe that is the case.

I agree. The arguments are so bad I sometimes think his hidden agenda is to ridicule christian thought / teaching. I am quite willing to accept that he has just found a formula that works (ie. makes him money) and is runnign with it.

 

[ironduck]

I'm crossposting this message because it is too important to be ignored. We now have final proofs that dinosaurs still walk this earth, and all the atheist evolutionist communist liberal evildoers will have to repent!

I present to you the ultimate in photographic proof of the Apatosaurus:



And, yes, the incredible narrative must presented alongside to provide proper context:

"Put down that weapon! The power of Christ compels you!" I immediately commanded, the words flowing through me as if from Above. The power of my rebuke startled both him and the Apatosaurus, causing the former to turn toward me and issue a blasphemous curse while the latter disappeared down the trail. Before Stubbingwicke could notice that his prey was escaping, I ran to head him off. Now between him and the beast, I dropped my gear, rolled up my sleeves, put my fists up and issued a challenge: "If you want that dinosaur, you will have to get through me first!" Seeing that he had no choice but to deal with me, Stubbingwicke dropped his weapons, uttered some more blasphemies, and came at me with his fists. As I engaged him in fisticuffs, I called out to Johnny to take the camera and hurry down the path to get a photo, which the now-panicked guide nevertheless did.

Like most Atheists, Stubbingwicke was all tough talk, but deep inside he was weak since he did not have the Love of Christ to succor him and give him strength. His cynicism and disbelief proved no match for my Faith and I eventually had him on the defensive. As my fists found their mark as if by Divine guidance, he finally fell to the ground on all fours, too tired and beaten to give any more fight. I stayed my fists and stood over his pathetic, subdued form. More curious than angry, I asked him what he hoped to accomplish by killing the Apatosaurus. His reply, snarled from a bleeding cut lip, was as shocking as it was plausible, and I can still remember it verbatim:

"Do you seriously believe that we don't already know about these dinosaurs? Why do you think I agreed to come along on this little Christian adventure of yours? To make sure you don't get what you came for, that's why!"

The full scientific paper is here: http://objectiveministries.org/creation/dinoexpedition.html

 

[ironduck]

There are some pretty eye popping revelations elsewhere on that site as well, for instance, did you all know that Apple computer is alligning itself with the forces of darkness?

http://objectiveministries.org/creation/propaganda.html

 

[warpus]

These are the sort of conditions our Land Rovers had to face during our trek. It was times like this that I longed for the Christian-built highway systems of home.

hahahaha

gold

 

[ironduck]

I'm cross posting again because I think it's imperative that Carlos is let in on this new research:

It turns out that the T-Rex was a herbivore that waddled like a duck!

 

[Phlegmak]

I'm crossposting this message because it is too important to be ignored. We now have final proofs that dinosaurs still walk this earth, and all the atheist evolutionist communist liberal evildoers will have to repent!

I present to you the ultimate in photographic proof of the Apatosaurus:



And, yes, the incredible narrative must presented alongside to provide proper context:



The full scientific paper is here: http://objectiveministries.org/creation/dinoexpedition.html

I saw this site years ago. It's so ridiculous that it's hard to believe it's not an idiotic joke.

 

[Masquerouge]

Joke or not, it's funny though!

 

[ironduck]

I'm always in doubt about that every time I see someone argue about creationism..

But I can assure you this is undeniable photographic evidence of a live dinosaur!