Well, I think it's time with the closing of the old thread to stir the old pot again! This sthread will be started start the new thread for the following reasons: 1. So Evolutionists get the first word 2. To enlighten the masses to the evidence for evolution including: evolutionists unaware of some of the fascinating evidence, those in the middle who need to see the light, creationists to combat the notion that evolution has no evidence and that creationism is scientific. 3. So I can set up some fair ground rules to make the thread more fun. 4. Sadistic Pleasure 5, The old thread was closed The Rules: 1. No swamping the thread with articles. If you feel an article would be appropriate you may post it, but please only one per response. Also do not just post some random article, please use it as a means to augment your arguement, not as your arguement. 2. No yelling at someone to read a book. You want to post an exerpt from a book as part of your arguement, be my guest. However, yelling at someone to read a book is not going help. 3. We are arguing scientific credibility, therefore religious texts are not by fiat correct. If you want to argue religious philosophy go to the "Prove God Exists" thread. Please stay on topic 4. All standard forum rules apply, especially the no flaming, trolling and spamming rules. While one may consider their opposition to be incorrect let's not assert that they are not intelligent. Here's my claims: 1. Evolution is a valid scientific claim 2. Creationism is not a valid scientific claim Edit: Note: When I refer to creationism I'm refering to god creating life directly (not through evolution), this includes such permutations as intelligent design theory, gap creationism as well as literal 7-day creationism. I am not refering to evolutionary creationism. As with the first thread I think I'll start off with a thought to chew on Why is it that tthere is a branching phylogeny? If we take the structures of creatures and arrange them in order of similarity there is only one order that by and large appears. Evolution can easily explain that as the result of divergence over the years. Creationism must call it a coincidence.