The Panama Papers: Hackers Reveal Law Firm's Many Tax Haven Clients

[Yeekim]

Oops, nothing. The Panama Papers is a scam...

But only as far as dear comrade Putin is concerned, right?

 

[r16]

If I "know" this, I must be badly misinformed.

"In December 2010, a man in Tunisia burned himself to death in protest at his treatment by police."

Snowden "in 2013 without prior authorization...revealed numerous global surveillance programs, many run by the NSA and Five Eyes with the cooperation of telecommunication companies and European governments."

Absent using a time machine, the leaks could not cause the Arab Spring, which was a reaction to inept dictatorships in the Middle East & North Africa.

United States diplomatic cables leak is the one that cleared the way . Unless you have been in Middle East , it's hard to realise the hold of the US on goverments . When some website and newspapers and the lot start publishing stuff , it's only open season on the said goverments . And then Tunisia was a backwater , the guy was slapped by a female goverment official who also confiscated the scale he needed to sell vegetables . He burned himself due shame , which is also hard to grasp if you haven't suffered in any similar way . His death irritated his kinsmen , led to demonstration in the town , considering a tribe also has to protect its "honour" . Tunisia was an accident . The French had to be compensated in Libya , turning the process into bloody war after the successes of Tunus , Yemen and Egypt . Yes , Tunus was an accident , because the intention was to start in Jordan . Didn't help much to Syria and Iraq ; their turn was delayed by merely a year or so . And the lack of Western reaction to the leak even encouraged to Turkish success story of Moderate Islam go sour and stuff , 'cause they saw it proven that they were safe .


edit : And yes , Snowden is a US operation dangling in front of "interested" people to learn how the evil US goverment operates and stuff .

 

[ReindeerThistle]

I never thought I'd see RT upholding capitalist law.

At least I don't defend war profiteers and opportunist toads like.some artificial Argentines posing as patriots.

Attorney-client privelege is international law, and an international legal ethic. It predates and post-dates "bourgeois" legality. It is an ethical violation... not that artificial Argentines know anything about ethics.

Besides, Soros, US AID, OCCRP... this is a set-up. Read the whole article. ICIJ is a willing tool of imperialist elites.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Attorney-client privelege is international law, and an international legal ethic. It predates and post-dates "bourgeois" legality. It is an ethical violation... not that artificial Argentines know anything about ethics.

I don't think either the MF attorneys nor their clients broke privilege. The breach came from a third party hacker. The privilege doctrine is all about binding the two parties. If an attorney leaves his briefcase lying about and I find it, I am not obligated to honor client attorney privilege. In fact, if I find that they are doing bad stuff, I would be under a moral obligation to report the deeds.

 

[classical_hero]

Oops, nothing. The Panama Papers is a scam... As well as a violation of attorney-client privelege. OCCRP's stain on this, notwithstanding, the fact that George Soros is behind this should be cause for pause.

Looks like the CFC OT community got duped.

Shoot me now, we are actually in agreement on this one. Has the world gone mad? One thing is important to note is how no American company or individual has been implicated and we don't actually know what is in the papers since the group who exposed them have not released all the info, which at least wikileaks did, which tells you something about what are they trying to hid. This is a good video and especially at around the 16 minute mark which helps explain why this hype only ever benefits the rich to get richer. The whole point of this is to try and raise up hype to that people will clamour for more regulation against the rich and others who use these legal means, so that the big banks and corporations can get regulations suited to them.


Link to video.

 

[Agent327]

No Americans you say?

American executives' names surface in Panama papers

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...mericans-with-past-financial-crimes/82704788/

Attorney-client privelege is international law, and an international legal ethic. It predates and post-dates "bourgeois" legality. It is an ethical violation...

Humbug. Attorney-client privilege isn't in any international law, for the simple reason it doesn't pertain to international law.

Besides, Soros, US AID, OCCRP... this is a set-up. Read the whole article. ICIJ is a willing tool of imperialist elites.

So imperial elites are undermining.... imperial elites? Interesting.

 

[Commodore]

No Americans you say?

Oh I bet you were just waiting for something like this to surface so you could get all smug about it. Anyway, no one ever said no Americans were involved at all, just that none of our politicians were involved; which still holds true since the only American names that came up were those of businessmen. Meanwhile, the UK has their very Prime Minister implicated in this. And people want to call the US government corrupt...

 

[Agent327]

Not really. I just don't like people making statements that aren't factual.

Besides that, US laws are quite strict on what is financially acceptable for politicians, so it's not really surprising so far no American politician's name has been 'revealed'. What US politicians accept as gifts is pretty much public knowledge, so anyone expecting major revelations in that area is bound to be disappointed. Sometimes transparency is a good thing, it would seem.

 

[Commodore]

Not really. I just don't like people making statements that aren't factual.

Besides that, US laws are quite strict on what is financially acceptable for politicians, so it's not really surprising so far no American politician's name has been 'revealed'. What US politicians accept as gifts is pretty much public knowledge, so anyone expecting major revelations in that area is bound to be disappointed. Sometimes transparency is a good thing, it would seem.

That, and we here in the US do corruption right. Instead of straight up breaking the law, we'll just make our shady activities legal. That's how you do proper corruption, my friend.

 

[Hygro]

Horseshoe theory of opponents.

Shoot me now, we are actually in agreement on this one.

In case anyone didn't get what I meant by my response to RT...

 

[crabapple]

Oops, nothing. The Panama Papers is a scam... As well as a violation of attorney-client privelege. OCCRP's stain on this, notwithstanding, the fact that George Soros is behind this should be cause for pause.

Looks like the CFC OT community got duped.

So the icelandic prime minister didnt own a offshore company?, so his admittance is a lie?

 

[gay_Aleks]

I told you, it's all a grand conspiracy by the Danes to cause internal destabilisation in Iceland and then restore order there, by annexing it, being their first step on restoring the Kalmar Union.

 

[CavLancer]

I'm all for unions.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

No Americans you say?

Humbug. Attorney-client privilege isn't in any international law, for the simple reason it doesn't pertain to international law.

So imperial elites are undermining.... imperial elites? Interesting.

tl; dr = Baaaaaaa!

 

[gay_Aleks]

well, nice talking with you then

 

[classical_hero]

So imperial elites are undermining.... imperial elites? Interesting.

It's about trying to destroy the competition. Make them look bad while those behind the leak are then telling those that we can do it here and do it better. You should watch the video from about the 16 minute mark sine he perfectly describes the situation and why it happened and yet most people will be like lambs to the slaughter and doing the bidding of these companies. Do you ever why wonder so many smaller banks have been bought by the bigger banks? I do like how those Americans are those who already have been convicted of crimes or implicated in ponzi schemes already.

EDIT. Apparently one address in Delaware is home to over 200,000 corporations. http://freebeacon.com/issues/delaware-address-home-200000-shell-companies-including-hillary-clintons/

In the wake of the recent “Panama Papers” scandal, this unassuming brick office has received renewed scrutiny from the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Telegraph, and advocates for corporate tax reform.

But one of its tenants may come as a surprise—a company owned by Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

Hillary and Bill Clinton quietly set up two shell companies listed at “1209 North Orange Street” in 2008 and 2013, the Washington Free Beacon has found. The names of the companies, but not their location, were first made public in tax filings released by Hillary Clinton last year.

According to records, one of the Clintons’ “1209 North Orange Street” companies is WJC, LLC, which was set up by Bill Clinton in 2008 as a pass-through for his consulting fees.

Another company at the same location, ZFS Holdings, LLC, was set up in February 2013, one week after Hillary Clinton left the State Department. Hillary Clinton received $5.5 million from her book publisher, Simon & Schuster, through the company.

The “1209 North Orange Street” building is the headquarters for the Corporation Trust Company. The firm acts as a registered agent for thousands of corporations that are not actually located in Delaware, including the Clintons’ companies.

Anti-secrecy advocates say the building is prime evidence that Delaware has become a corporate haven that’s comparable to more well-known, offshore locales.

...

The Clinton campaign declined to comment on why the Clintons, who live in New York and have no evident residential ties to Delaware, set up companies in the state. But the presidential candidate isn’t alone. Experts say Delaware is the most popular place to register a company in the United States, due in part to its established system of business case law and tax incentives for intellectual property and real estate holdings.

One of the biggest draws may be the state’s lack of disclosure requirements—businesses can be created completely anonymously, allowing the owners to avoid public detection and even hide income from U.S. authorities.

 

[Commodore]

Oops, nothing. The Panama Papers is a scam... As well as a violation of attorney-client privelege. OCCRP's stain on this, notwithstanding, the fact that George Soros is behind this should be cause for pause.

Looks like the CFC OT community got duped.

Do you have any evidence these papers are a scam? If so, I'm sure we'd all be very glad to see it. If you don't have said evidence, then it would seem you are just talking out of your butt right now.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

You can't disprove a negative. So, all we have is what a shamefully disreputable "journalist" group of 300 says about 11-1/2 million documents. So, be dodgy. Even wikileaks says it's a set-up. If you lost wikileaks, you lost the world.

And, btw, Baaaaaa to you, too.

 

[Agent327]

It's about trying to destroy the competition. Make them look bad while those behind the leak are then telling those that we can do it here and do it better. You should watch the video from about the 16 minute mark sine he perfectly describes the situation and why it happened and yet most people will be like lambs to the slaughter and doing the bidding of these companies. Do you ever why wonder so many smaller banks have been bought by the bigger banks? I do like how those Americans are those who already have been convicted of crimes or implicated in ponzi schemes already.

I'm not sure who 'us' and 'them' are. And no, I don't wonder why smaller banks are bought by bigger banks. It's called acquisition - and sometimes it backfires. So basically you are saying Capitalism is eliminating the competition? What's new or revealing about that?

That, and we here in the US do corruption right. Instead of straight up breaking the law, we'll just make our shady activities legal. That's how you do proper corruption, my friend.

No, that's how you do law. Law is alive, not writ in stone as some people seem to think. I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'shady activities' though. The point of law is to make clear what's legal and what's not.

You can't disprove a negative.

Actually, you can. I'm not quite sure you actually understand what you're saying.

 

[Camikaze]

Humbug. Attorney-client privilege isn't in any international law, for the simple reason it doesn't pertain to international law.

Attorney-client privilege is recognised in international law. See the Permanent Court of Arbitration's provisional ruling in Dr Horst Reineccius et al v Bank for International Settlements, and the pending East Timor v Australia ICJ case. It's also a general principle of domestic law which would find recognition in international law (if it hadn't already) under ICJ Art 38(1)(c).

Though it should be said that I'm actually sure what international law has to do with this, and in any case, generally attorney-client privilege doesn't allow for the concealment of illegal activities.