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The paper says - clever kids listen to metal!

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ComradeDavo, Mar 21, 2007.

  1. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    "I can't get no....satisfaction."

    :)

    I wonder, did they start this study looking for this, or is this something that came up while studying something else?
     
  2. Lambert Simnel

    Lambert Simnel One across

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    No - that's the point of your thread. The research is vapid and next to useless. What's been published certainly doesn't support any assertion that bright kids listen to metal, or that metal fans are brighter on average. Quite simply, they made no effort to question a group of non "gifted and talented" students, and thus can't draw any such conclusion at all.

    The research doesn't make it's case particularly well even for "those who liked Heavy Metal having lower self-esteem and ideas about themselves". It asserts this, but gives nothing to back it up

    The Independent rendition of the research makes it even worse - they focus on the fact that "a third rating it among their favourite styles". But they don't mention "they found that rock was the most popular form of music ((amongst the 1, 057 'gifted and talented' students)), closely followed by pop". Typical of The Indy, frankly - cherry pick the facts to support the angle of the piece you're trying to write. Actually, it's pretty typical of the British press in general, but 10 years ago The Indy used to be better than this.

    Let's go further. If you click through the Warwick Uni press release to a piece on digg.com which they've linked to (thus presumably giving it some credence in the researchers' eyes) we get a quote which indicates that "Asked for their favourite type of music, 39 per cent said rock, 18 per cent R&B and 14 per cent pop. Six per cent said heavy metal and a third rated it in their top five genres." 6% ? Difficult to tell, but that doesn't sound like a strong link.

    So what have we got ? As nihilistic and Pasi have already pointed out, there's nothing here to support any causation or correlation. There's precious little of anything in the research, really. And yet we get post after post in this thread of people saying how this confirms their view of how clever metal fans are. To me it just confirms how few CfC posters bother to look critically at any press release or statement which supports their opinions or prejudices.
     
  3. Kozmos

    Kozmos Jew Detective

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    Well yeah but you are not illiterate....or are you?

    *starts examining your cranium in 19th century german scientist fashion*
     
  4. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    What did you say?
     
  5. Left

    Left Real Game Out Here

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    Plenty of good musicians cannot read music.
     
  6. toh6wy

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    It's a damn shame that some people in this thread don't realize that there are entire subgenres of metal that are not at all like how they seem to imagine all metal to be (fast, loud, shallow lyrics, not very melodic, etc).
     
  7. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    I think your taking this thread more seriously than I am;)
     
  8. CartesianFart

    CartesianFart Deity

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    It is entertaining to see Lambert Simnel arguing prowess eventhough this thread is just for small talk.
     
  9. Virote_Considon

    Virote_Considon The Great Dictator

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    Don't I know it :(

    :rolleyes:
     
  10. Mirc

    Mirc Not mIRC!!!

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    Well, I didn't know the lyrics, as Cheezy did, but I could sing that on sight. ;)

    Spoiler :
    I'm not illiterate. :mischief:
     
  11. Nylan

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    There's nothing wrong with deep lyrics, that's not what I said. Screaming is not singing, and therefore is not music.

    I can also safely say that hitting a pillow has never helped dispell anything

    That said, I'm not everyone. That's just how I see things
     
  12. mdwh

    mdwh Deity

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    This is a bit like saying the drums aren't music either, because they're not melodic...
     
  13. bd41094

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    It was more directed toward the last word but whatever.
     
  14. Nylan

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    That's a logical fallacy :)
     
  15. Hygro

    Hygro soundcloud.com/hygro/

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    No, it's a rational analogy.
     
  16. Harbringer

    Harbringer Your A One Flower Garden

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    Me adn my friends just consider screaming another category and call it a day, theres singing, yelling, and then screaming. There all different, but that doesnt make them more or less than what they are. As for metal, well, techically theres only one true metal band, and everything after derived from them, there called Sabbath, and if you call that fast then you dont know what fast is.


    Oh and BTW, just a little FYI, 90% of guitarist dont bother learning how to read sheet music becuase it would be really hard to wirte a guitar song on sheet music, I mean, some of the notes on the guitar are repeated in the same octave several times you know, it would just get confusing on how to play it, that and the fact that you would rip your hair out on solos becuase you have to put freekin everything as double sharps or double falts as soon as you move out of octave.
     
  17. Nylan

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    failing to take in various other factors, like drums having been a part of music for centuries (since music's roots) and angsty screams never having been considered music in it's own independent right is not rational

    Nor is making the jump from talentless to not melodic when I clearly implied otherwise

    Thus: Logical Fallacy-failure to take other variables into account
     
  18. punkbass2000

    punkbass2000 Des An artiste

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    Fallacy fallacy.

    And screaming and yelling has been an integral part of many culture's music for quite some time.

    Not to give this argument any credibility, that is.
     
  19. Disgustipated

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    RIP. Damn, I'm in a Pantera mood right now. A lot of people don't like their "first" album because it's clean and not as fast and angry as the other albums. But he had some amazing solos on that "first" album. Yeah I know that wasn't technically their first. But I'm not counting the glam stuff. I'll just pretend Pantera never did that stuff.
     
  20. Lambert Simnel

    Lambert Simnel One across

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    Ah, but I always take anything you say seriously, Davo.
     

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