The POTUS decides to be a chicken, pulls out of Afghanistan

Who is getting killed that we actually want Kansas Clark Kents riding to the rescue? Our NATO ally? I imagine the only thing that's immediately in danger of screwing that up would be a hot conflict with Greece?
 
r16 said:
Mind you , the brilliance of New Turkey can not be fully explained even at r16 level of English language skills .
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How shocking, if there's one thing I definitely associate with you it's brilliant English language skills. Must be a pretty hard thing to explain.
 
in the Ukraine thread there is a picture of people tied up at a lamp post or a tree or whatever . Seems to be common in Ukraine as a way of public shaming . Was declared to be a Russian propaganda some time ago . Today it is acceptable , being far less severe compared to what Russians did . Rehabilitation of the creed is a tough thing ; you know who the bad guys in any movie are as soon as you see the zwastika . You know , everything in that war somehow serves something somewhat to that end . And this is what drew one guy in CFC mad . ı play Civ III , could not fight early as the closest 3 are also the leading AIs and didn't have ocean crossing tech to fight elsewhere in an effective way , the game engine also stuck me with 4 science leaders so that it would be a long time before ı could field extra armies ... Not really complaining but of the 14 or so AIs in the game ı was at war with 9 or 11 at one point . Because having the least territory and population , ı was weak . New Turkey is a mess , nobody likes us , they could declare extending their territorial waters or sign deals for the gas pipeline , which would ensure their wealth or security for the next century or whatever . They "were" goddamn allies with Israel , for God's Sake . Instead of getting the whole world joined in war against the weakling , he has to watch Russia humiliated because he has never believed that you Americans would ever see the light and give up limited short term interests . You know , as a gamer that might have been the extent of his interest in strategy and stuff ... Instead , he no doubt listens to pundits who now tell it is in the interests of Athens to stop lobbying in Washington and New Turkey be allowed to buy new F-16s from America , because a failing Russia might transfer [Sukhoi] tech to New Turkey to stop r16 pestering them to fight or go home or something . Yes , there are many points in that last sentence that is not exactly or mildly true . Athens can not declare 12 miles as well , not today , because war in Russia . See , not the war in Ukraine , that's like almost won . So that Reptiles sorry Republicans can start talking for 2024 on how Nazis and the Communists were the same and it is the fault of Democrats that the latter lasted so long .
 

Afghanistan: Taliban closes universities to women​

The Taliban have announced the closure of universities for women in Afghanistan, according to a letter by the higher education minister.
The minister says the move is until further notice. It is expected to take effect immediately.
It further restricts women's access to formal education, as they were already excluded from most secondary schools.
One Kabul University student told the BBC she had been crying since she heard the news.

Three months ago thousands of girls and women sat university entrance exams across Afghanistan.
But sweeping restrictions were imposed on the subjects they could study, with veterinary science, engineering, economics and agriculture off limits and journalism severely restricted.
After the Taliban takeover last year, universities introduced gender segregated classrooms and entrances.
Female students could only be taught by women professors or old men.
Responding to the latest ban, a female university student told the BBC she thought the Taliban were scared of women and their power.
"They destroyed the only bridge that could connect me with my future," she said.
"How can I react? I believed that I could study and change my future or bring the light to my life but they destroyed it."
Afghanistan's education sector was badly affected after the Taliban takeover and there has been an exodus of trained academics after the withdrawal of US-led forces last year.
Another woman spoke about "too many difficulties" just trying to continue her education after the Taliban takeover.
She told the BBC: "We fought with our brothers, with our fathers, with society and even with the government.
"We went through a hard situation just to be able to continue our education.
"At that time at least I was happy that I could graduate from university and achieve my dreams. But, now how can I convince myself?"

What has changed in Afghanistan in 20 years
Girls' tears over chaotic Taliban schools U-turn
A trip to the park - no mums allowed

Afghanistan's economy has been largely dependent on foreign aid in recent decades, but aid agencies have partly - and in some cases fully - withdrawn support to the education sector after the Taliban refused to allow girls into secondary schools.
Many of the teaching staff who remain go unpaid for months.
The latest measures are likely to cause further concerns in the international community.
The US and other Western countries have made improvements to female education in Afghanistan a prior condition for the formal recognition of the Taliban government.
US Deputy UN Ambassador Robert Wood condemned the Taliban's latest actions.
"The Taliban cannot expect to be a legitimate member of the international community until they respect the rights of all Afghans," he said.
"Especially the human rights and fundamental freedom of women and girls."
In November, the authorities banned women from parks in the capital Kabul, claiming Islamic laws were not being followed there.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-64045497
 
uh uh , also know why Taliban hates female engineers . Also , like we were told this was a new Taliban ? It is maybe news elsewhere , like Ukraine or thereabouts , that led them to ignore their promises to Bidon that they would JUST not ban all education for girls ?
 
The Taliban negotiated with the Trump Administration, not the current administration. The Afghans had an army of 300k. They didn't fight. Guess they were cool with what is happening now, not to mention the collapse of the economy and food shortages. But they're good with the Prophet, so there you go.
 
the promises were to the Bidon Administration , via Qatar and naturally New Turkey , that they would look like reformed or something . Not that there was any risk or whatever but the Tajik resistance or the Panshir Valley stuff had to be countered before they got going . And yes , one becomes a bad guy or something when one challenges this "Islamicness" that's supposed to exist in Jihadi beardies . Like forgot ISIL already ?
 
Remorseless1 said:
The Afghans had an army of 300k. They didn't fight.
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Only on paper, most of their soldiers only existed on paper so the generals and politicians could pocket their paychecks, oh and most of the army's weapons, equipment and ammo were sold by the same generals and politicians on the black market to the Taliban. Don't worry though, those generals and politicians were the first to grab their money and escape to the gulf states.
 
half of that 300 000 are already in place as troops familiar with Western way of war or whatever in Turkey .
 
my only hope is that if some of the Afghan people express interest to want to flee, well, maybe the US can help them. Because that place is basically going to regress to a stone-age society for the rest of this century.

The trouble is, they can't just sail in a raft to Florida like the Cubans do. It's landlocked. Does Pakistan express any interest in funneling those out who want to run away from the Taliban? I don't know...
 
hundreds of thousands of Afghans are in Turkey , in case you haven't noticed the post immediately above yours . In addition to combat troops and whatnot . Being a sturdy race , they are told to be walking across Iran . Will only say that they would , if it was necessary . Like EU is actually paying Ankara to keep all those people in . Though they are not yet as "trusted" as Syrians hundreds of thousands of which will also vote in the "crucial" elections next year . No , America will not take any of them . Pakistan is sending its own tens or hundreds of thousands as well .
 
I'm only left to wonder about all the people who thought a western coalition (or mostly the US, if you prefer) in Afghanistan was the "good war" compared to the same in Iraq which was the "bad war". I certainly can't be the only one who heard this idea. It was a fairly popular sentiment in the mid-2000s when I was more steeped in politics.
Because now I almost exclusively hear that no one particularly cared about doing anything positive in Afghanistan anyway...
So, was that all nonsense and people didn't mean it?
Did something change people's minds?
 
mdl5000 said:
I'm only left to wonder about all the people who thought a western coalition (or mostly the US, if you prefer) in Afghanistan was the "good war" compared to the same in Iraq which was the "bad war". I certainly can't be the only one who heard this idea. It was a fairly popular sentiment in the mid-2000s when I was more steeped in politics.
Because now I almost exclusively hear that no one particularly cared about doing anything positive in Afghanistan anyway...
So, was that all nonsense and people didn't mean it?
Did something change people's minds?
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Um, it's pretty simple actually. Afghanistan was housing Bin Laden and his group and refused to hand him over. Iraq, on the other hand, was completely disconnected from 9/11 and was just invaded because Bush felt like it. In fact, Saddam Hussein und Bin Laden were mortal enemies, the former being a secular dictator who persecuted muslim extremists, the latter a muslim extremist who hated secularism.

From that perspective, there was a certain amount of understanding towards going after the terrorists who were responsible for 9/11 and all those who protected them. Hence the war being deemed "good" by some. The same obviously couldn't be said about the war with Iraq, which was so obviously build on lies that it was impossible to miss unless you wanted to miss it.

A somewhat similar case can be found prior to WW1. There was a lot of support for Austria-Hungary in the aftermath of Franz Ferdinand's assassination as well, so they probably could have gotten away with quite a bit if they had acted right away. It was only when they didn't, waited for over a month, and then went ahead with war even when Serbia agreed to most of Austria's demands that the support for their actions disappeared. In other words: people are more ready to accept drastic action from someone if he just got unjustly attacked, provided there is a decent argument for the action. Afghanistan offered such an explanation, the same couldn't be said about Iraq.
 
afghanistan was "good" for the economy , even the Russians etc would welcome the draining of the swamp . The defeat of the notion of a graveyard of the empires . Truly well covered at the time that the drug economy was the second largest in the world between the auto industries that came first and aviation which was the global third . It would have taught a bitter lesson to Fundamentalists as well . Iraq was a power play which was "exposed" by the global media to bolster the very same Fundamentalists to create a larger and kinda more experienced power base to fight a war nearby ...

up North actually . The essential , the singular question of the entire global politics is the creation of a Kurdish Nation State , China was essentially "bribed" for decades in order not to intervene . Russians were rudely awakened from dreams of fraternity with the crises of the Balkans and this Iraqi invasion thing that was going to be crowned by the Arab Spring . Actually , Iraq was "vacated" under the media coverage of it being the "bad war" to create the basis for ISIL . While the "good war" in Afghanistan was indeed winnable (for a while) and it wasn't lost because military attention shifted to Iraq . America could have done really well there , suggesting the past was the past and the future belonged to Law and Order . It didn't , because it is not a thing the West does , creating stability and stuff . The West creates Chaos that seems under control so that nobody will come and pull the rug under the feet of the gigantic West . We saw what happens when the gigantic West ends up its backside . People fall off from the landing gear of cargo planes and America happily celebrates the death of murderous terrorists destroyed in a drone strike . Even if the targeted guy was a friend of America busy distributing food donations and the like to the kids . Have forgotten already whether he was related to Tajiks who were digging up in Panshir as well . American media makes brief notes of how cargo planss would cycle their landing gears once over the Gulf to dump the bodies into the sea , because cleaning up the gear bays were causing mental mayhem in the ground crews on the American bases in the Gulf . American media definitely refuses to make a note that American planes or drones escorted Pakistani F-16s as they bombed the former Northern Alliance to break up resistance , against a probable risk of Yemeni style makeshift SAMs appearing in action .
 
also in the news that primary schools are now banned . Like if the billionaries in CFC donate a couple of billions or so , it might just be possible to get them ease just a bit , too . Never liked JDAMs , so the payment will not be in that particular brand , or something .
 

Foreign aid groups halt work after Taliban ban on female staff​

Three major non-governmental organisations (NGOs) have halted work in Afghanistan after women were banned from working for them by the Taliban.
In a joint statement, Care International, the Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC) and Save the Children said they would be unable to continue their work "without our female staff".
The aid groups are "demanding" that women can continue to work for them.
Afghanistan's ruling Taliban have been steadily repressing women's rights.

The latest edict on NGOs came just days after the Taliban banned women from attending university.
Abdel Rahman Habib, spokesman for the Taliban's ministry of economy, claimed female workers at the foreign aid groups had broken dress codes by not wearing hijabs.

The Taliban threatened to cancel the licence of any organisation that did not swiftly comply with the ban.
The leaders of Care, the NRC and Save the Children said the organisations "would not have jointly reached millions of Afghans in need since August 2021" were it not for their female staff.
"Whilst we gain clarity on this announcement, we are suspending our programmes, demanding that men and women can equally continue our lifesaving assistance in Afghanistan," their statement added.
Ramiz Alakbarov, the United Nations' top humanitarian coordinator, said the UN was trying to get the ban reversed and that it was a "red line for the entire humanitarian community".
The United Nations could stop humanitarian aid delivery in Afghanistan if the Taliban authorities do not reverse their edict banning women aid workers, the official told the BBC.
But Mr Alakbarov said it was still unclear what the Taliban meant by its edict.

He said the Taliban's minister of health had told the UN the agency should continue its health-related work and women could "report to work and discharge their services".
Other ministries had also contacted the UN directly to say work in the areas of disaster management and emergencies should continue, he added.
Jan Egeland of the NRC said nearly 500 of the aid group's 1400 workers were women, and that female staff had been operating "according to all traditional values, dress code, movement, [and] separation of offices".
He said he hoped the decision would be "reversed in the next few days" and warned that millions would suffer if NGOs' work was obstructed.
NGOs also expressed concern about the effect the ban would have on jobs "in the midst of an enormous economic crisis".
Female Afghan NGO workers acting as the main earners in their household previously told the BBC of their fear and helplessness following the ban.

One asked: "If I cannot go to my job, who can support my family?" Another breadwinner called the news "shocking" and insisted she had complied with the Taliban's strict dress code.
The ban triggered international outcry, with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken warning it would "disrupt vital and life-saving assistance to millions".
Since seizing back control of the country last year, the Taliban has steadily restricted women's rights - despite promising its rule would be softer than the regime seen in the 1990s.
As well as the bans on NGO workers and female university students - in the case of students, now being enforced by armed guards - secondary schools for girls remain closed in most provinces.
Women have also been prevented from entering parks and gyms, among other public places.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-64090549
 
Stay home ladies and have more babies you cannot afford to feed.
 
having them not fed is the intention . When they are not starving , you have to pay more dollars to get them die while fighting in your name . Truly bloated Westerners can not understand why people are willing to die for 100 dollars a day . And that's because the super rich ISIL wrecked the market as Nusra was paying like maybe 20 dollars a day .
 
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