The problem with today's youth

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Yesterday, while volunteering at the library, there was a kid, who I assume to be around eight years old.

While organizing the books in the Graphic Novels section, I overheard the kid on the phone, possibly talking to an older sibling. Or maybe a parent (even though I seriously hope it was not a parent). The kid said he wanted cigarettes, and asked the person on the other end of the line to get him some.

After that, when organizing the books for small children section, I overheard the kid swearing at one of my teen-aged peers. The woman in charge of the youth section asked him to leave, and he did.

About ten or twenty minutes later, I saw him outside, smoking a cigarette.


I think this kid is a very good example of what today's youth behave like. That kid probably did not know the dangers of smoking, and I doubt it was his parents on the phone with him. I think adults need to take more responsibility for their kids' actions, and prevent America from becoming a nation of troubled youth.

Some of my other peers thought I was overreacting when I was discussing the kid with them. They said it was none of my business. I think it is. I think with all the songs about sex and drugs, not to mention internet pornography, as well as sexual television shows, kids are growing up too fast in terms of their physical actions.

Another example is a kindergarten boy I met in 6th grade. The boy talked about sex, even though he thought sex meant kissing. Whether he knew what it meant or not, kids that young should not even know the word sex, aside from the definition of sex as gender. That boy also willingly kissed other girls frequently, and he told dirty jokes and swore constantly.

I reiterate- today's youth is growing up too fast as far as sex and adult habits such as drinking, smoking, and drugs.

So, discuss. Do you think today's youth is too free to learn about adult topics and activities? Or should they learn faster, for whatever reason you have to justify that?
 
The Borg Generation, or those born after about 1995, are complete lost causes. ;)

I think in some ways concerns about "corruption of youth" are the same as they've always been. Though it probably is true that kids in general, and at younger ages, have more access to explicit materials of sorts, and of course kids without good homes/growing up in poverty etc... have it particularly rough. Certainly stratification of American society hasn't really gotten any better in recent years and there's little indication problems for the poorest are going to go away, the trend is still towards the opposite.

Inundation with social media/the Internet (hence the name, though that's also mostly because the way the media actually "names" "generations" is really, really, really stupid) is particularly the big issue for development of social interactions or old standards of "politeness" and so on, hence the name of course, but we'll have to see how it pans out.

For the example above...unfortunate the kid smokes (that's one good thing on a nationwide trend I think, smoking is down among youth compared to the past, but for individual cases there are always problems) and other behavior sounds rough. But likewise not really anything you can do about someone else's kid like that.
 
I don't think smoking or hard drugs are appropriate for most people, including adults.

I also don't think they should pick up adult habits, but youths should be able to talk about adult topics. I don't think we constantly need to shelter them from outside influences, since it will just encourage them to be curious and the fact that they will learn about such things anyways if they interact with the outside world.
 
As far as I was aware anyone born from 1990-1999 was in "Generation Y", which I've also heard referred to as the "Everyone's a Winner Generation", and "The Millennials".
 
I don't think smoking or hard drugs are appropriate for most people, including adults.

I also don't think they should pick up adult habits, but youths should be able to talk about adult topics. I don't think we constantly need to shelter them from outside influences, since it will just encourage them to be curious and the fact that they will learn about such things anyways if they interact with the outside world.

I agree, but they don't need to engage in such activities until adolescence or adulthood.
 
Eight years? That boy should've been fast at work in coal mines, I say to you, not frolicking around in a library!
 
I totally knew all about sex when I was 8...
 
borg generation?

I reason that the term is generated from the inundation of social media (The Internet) to a greater degree than any other period in history, although I highly doubt that only people aged fifteen and older are applied to that. The Internet effects everyone in the western world, and it's certainly not a specific problem with "today's youth", rather than a problem with people in general.

I mean, basically this thread is a highly-sanitized and modernized equivalent of, "KIDS TODAY AMIRITE, WHEN I WAS THEIR AGE IT WAS UPHILL BOTH WAYS"
 
As far as I was aware anyone born from 1990-1999 was in "Generation Y", which I've also heard referred to as the "Everyone's a Winner Generation", and "The Millennials".

Yes, that's the "media's way" which I find pointless. If you're bothering to do anything at all for whatever a "generation" means make it mean something creative.

Group folks in the 80s somewhere, you could start partway through if you must up to 199x together, (80-95 is a big chunk but relatively consistent for American history and climate. Defining a generation by decades on the calendar is silly, shared cultural/historical experiences make a little more sense) after that is the Borg Generation. :smug:
 
There have been young kids doing things like smoke since before my grandparents where born. Not most, but young kids always want to do things that adults can do. However, kids were probably far better at hiding it. Running out to the shed with your friends and smoking a cigarette and going teehee look at what we are doing we are so awesome, oh no dads home what are we going to do!
 
oh the cole mines! in my time, i would have been glad if i could have worked in the coal mines!
Glad? I would've been overjoyed to work in the coal mines! I mean, we used to work mining sulfur from an active volcano...
 
I think in general, the less we worry about the children the better, as a society of course. Parents should worry about their children (without being helicopter parents, which is even worse IMO). I think the biggest problem is that sex has been rendered meaningless. I love sex, I really do, but it has no place in society the way it is now. Its just a way to sell things. Even on the personal level, its become a way to sell yourself. Frat guys trying to get as much sex as possible to sell themselves as an Alpha male to their brothers comes to mind.

I knew what sex was around the age of the OP's example. Didn't ruin me. In fact, if a parents first reaction to a child knowing what sex is at that age is, "DON'T DO THAT, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT", then the child is probably going to understand that something is going on with this whole sex thing. Personally, I would sit down my kid and calmly explain to him what it is in a way he could understand and just say we'll have the more comprehensive talk when he's older, but for now its better that he just go play outside.

I really don't think its wise to put the blame on songs, porn, or television shows. Especially when you say its the parent's responsibility (which it is, easily) because the parents have to have some of that stuff to enjoy too. Otherwise we'll all go crazy with self-repression.

TL;DR: Same thing our parents said, their parents said, and their parents...and their parents...and their............
 
Yes, that's the "media's way" which I find pointless. If you're bothering to do anything at all for whatever a "generation" means make it mean something creative.

Group folks in the 80s somewhere, you could start partway through if you must up to 199x together, (80-95 is a big chunk but relatively consistent for American history and climate. Defining a generation by decades on the calendar is silly, shared cultural/historical experiences make a little more sense) after that is the Borg Generation. :smug:

Really how much more different is the experience of someone born in 1995 to someone born in 1996 or 1997, or is the cut-off at '95 arbitrary?
 
My mum started smoking at 11! She's over 60 now.
 
Glad? I would've been overjoyed to work in the coal mines! I mean, we used to work mining sulfur from an active volcano...

and active volcano? oh how i would have enjoyed that heat. i had to get nuclear waste from the norwegian polar circle to austria every day, carrying 170 kg of it, barefoot.
 
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