The Purpose of Education in the United States

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This extends somewhat to other nations, but will be a more Amero-centric thread considering that most European education systems are doing fine relative to us.

After the Revolution, statesmen and politicians told the American mother that her role was to raise a model citizen, and she took it to heart. When true industrialization and the mass immigration of the 1800s began, and IQ testing became prevalent in schools, lower- and middle-class parenting and education shifted towards the nonexistent, focusing more on giving children jobs (and accompanying skills) to provide income for the family. When the Progressive Era reforms were put in place, and education became a public necessity and social norm, children went to school with the purpose of learning the skills necessary to do work in the future. The New Deal and Great Society put in place the culture and legal ethics of education. Schools shifted more to the 'shopping mall', offering many classes in junior and high school to, theoretically, let children find out what they were good at, preparing them for a college life, which in turn would prepare them for a job. Now, we're seeing a shift back towards government-mandated curriculums: ALL 9th graders take Algebra I, ALL 10th graders take Geometry I, ALL 11th graders take Algebra II, ALL Seniors take Precalculus, with 10% being either in special-education or on a more advanced track.

However, the current system is clearly not working.

In Russia, for example, ALL 9th graders take Calculus. As a result, they've seen a jump in the number of scientists and engineers being produced. Don't get me wrong, the United States is still producing great minds. Our universities are the best in the world; our top 10% ranks amongst the best students and minds in the world. But the other 90%? In my district alone, the gap between the top 20% scorers and bottom 20% scorers on the ACT is 50%. :eek:

I'm fortunate enough to be in that top 10%, so I can take advantage of the shopping mall style of classes, which my school epitomizes (over 200 courses at the last count, ranging from photo to cad to foreign language to aps to dance). But again, the other 90% of my school is weak. 25% of freshmen fail their initial math course.

What are the reasons for this? How do we fix this? What is the true purpose of education? Should it be the production of the model citizen, the model worker, or the model intellectual?
 
It should be used as a signalling mechanism to determine who gets the best paid jobs.
 
Because in schools today everyone just pushes the students through. Fail a class? Go to summer school where the only thing you have to do is show up for credit.

A lot of people graduated in my high school class that were morons. I know of one kid that was held back and he just had to take a summer school class to get his diploma.

Then they're not employable in any decent jobs as they have no skills. School should be training for real life. Real life isnt fair. You fail a grade, you take it again next year even though you will older and your friends will move on without you. Too bad.
 
No school should be training for 3rd level education. You can't "train for life". You learn things about life by doing.
 
Don't get me wrong, the United States is still producing great minds. Our universities are the best in the world;

They are, but a lot of that is built on foreign talent. If those decide that they have better opportunities or conditions elsewhere, this could change quickly.

Which emphasises even more the need to improve the schools.
 
Don't get me wrong, the United States is still producing great minds. Our universities are the best in the world; our top 10% ranks amongst the best students and minds in the world.

I think that is a vestige of WWII, and it will gradually disappear as the rest of the world eventually catches up and surpasses us. The top 10% isn't any more intelligent or better eduacated than the top 10% anyplace else - just the opposite if current trends are any indicator...

What is the true purpose of education?
To provide citizen-soldiers who blindly obey authority and who do not even think about questioning it. See how well it is working?
 
If education produces the model anything, then it would have failed.
 
Now, we're seeing a shift back towards government-mandated curriculums: ALL 9th graders take Algebra I, ALL 10th graders take Geometry I, ALL 11th graders take Algebra II, ALL Seniors take Precalculus, with 10% being either in special-education or on a more advanced track.

Not in most areas that I am aware of. And in places that have talked of this, from my personal experience, there is heavy opposition to such curriculums. If anything, in my current area, it is the exact opposite, where everyone is pushing their kids to take harder classes yet do not expect their kids to work at all.

Those are the bare minimums- I don't see any evidence where good students are stifled.

However, the current system is clearly not working.

In Russia, for example, ALL 9th graders take Calculus. As a result, they've seen a jump in the number of scientists and engineers being produced. Don't get me wrong, the United States is still producing great minds. Our universities are the best in the world; our top 10% ranks amongst the best students and minds in the world. But the other 90%? In my district alone, the gap between the top 20% scorers and bottom 20% scorers on the ACT is 50%. :eek:

What is 9th grade calculus? That is an ambiguous statement to me. You can teach "Calculus" to a smart first grader if you want (ex: derivative of x^2 is 2x, or 3x^2 is 6x. Nothing but multiplication). Algebra 1 can be called calculus by those who don't understand it- slope of a line is just dy/dx.

Now, I'm far from saying the US education system is the greatest in the world, because it isn't. But, I see little/no evidence of stifling high-performers, and a large part of education comes from early developement. I don't know enough about the early education of the US compared to other countries, but once you start talking about data from ACT scores, the bulk of education has been done and any problem would have began much earlier (ie. I believe US high schools, for the most part, are perfectly well equipped).
 
What is 9th grade calculus? That is an ambiguous statement to me. You can teach "Calculus" to a smart first grader if you want (ex: derivative of x^2 is 2x, or 3x^2 is 6x. Nothing but multiplication). Algebra 1 can be called calculus by those who don't understand it- slope of a line is just dy/dx.

Yet the American school system avoids calculus like the plague in fear of leaving the "slow learners" hopelessly behind.
 
Yet the American school system avoids calculus like the plague in fear of leaving the "slow learners" hopelessly behind.

Depends where you are. And, although that opinion is present, there is a large opposition to that. To say that opinion is a reflection of the US education system on a whole would be incorrect. Parents and teachers constantly object and challenge this in areas where this takes place; US high schools are well suited. In the worst areas of the country (schooling wise), the bulk of the problems, I would guess, comes from the early education system, not the high school system (where the debates of calculus take place).
 
As always, misinformation abounds in this thread.

The OP is a bit quizzical. The purpose of the American K-12 public system is similar to that of most industrialized countries...to teach as many students as possible certain baseline skills. Somewhat recently, there is more of a focus on preparing for college. The goals and curriculum vary *wildly* from district to district, so massive generalization is difficult.

There are things we do very well here in America, and there are things that we clearly do not do so well.
 
Depends where you are. And, although that opinion is present, there is a large opposition to that. To say that opinion is a reflection of the US education system on a whole would be incorrect. Parents and teachers constantly object and challenge this in areas where this takes place; US high schools are well suited. In the worst areas of the country (schooling wise), the bulk of the problems, I would guess, comes from the early education system, not the high school system (where the debates of calculus take place).
The US public education system is woefully behind the rest of the clvilized world, and it is apparently falling further behind with every passing day.
 
Now, we're seeing a shift back towards government-mandated curriculums: ALL 9th graders take Algebra I, ALL 10th graders take Geometry I, ALL 11th graders take Algebra II, ALL Seniors take Precalculus, with 10% being either in special-education or on a more advanced track.
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None of that is true.
 
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