The real King Arthur was gay

Kafka2

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This article is an exploration of who Britain's greatest hero really was, and where he liked to slip his meat when he had the Royal Horn. A consensus appears to have been reached on the whole King Arthur issue- that the whole Camelot/Round Table stuff is just a load of old crap invented in medieval times, embellished by the Victorians and practically fetishised by every git with an opinion since. However there almost certainly was a leader called Arthur around 500AD who defeated the Saxons and established a strong and united kingdom, harking back to the presumed golden age of the Roman civilisation in Britain. It's a good compromise that avoids all the fairy-tale nonsense about Merlin and Guinevere, while still keeping the door open on the attractive (and lucrative) story of Arthur the man.

There's just one flaw with this consensus. It's bollocks.

The "evidence" in support of Arthur's existance hinges on just three things- vague references in a couple of heroic poems and the Welsh Annals, the fact that there was a degree of concerted resistance against the Saxons in Western England, and that "Arthur" was a popular royal name in the centuries after 500AD.

To annihilate these points, consider the following. The poems mentioning Arthur (such as Aneirin's "Gododdin") were written hundreds of years after the events (as were the Welsh Annals). The resistance was probably organised by other well-known kings, and "Arthur" or "Artiur" was being used as a royal name even before Arthur's time.

More damningly, none of the comtemporary historians of Arthur's time, or directly after, mention him. Gildas certainly mentioned the battle of Mons Badonicus, but never mentioned Arthur. If he was so great, why was he ignored? No proof whatsoever.

My theory is that Arthur is a composite. He's a creation based on two seperate kings- Ambrosius Aurelianus (an obscure Southern English king) and Maelgwyn of Gwynned. We know very little about Ambrosius except that he was supposedly a rival of Vortigern and his descendants, and that he is supposed to have founded a kingdom based on the pseudo-Roman model of the earlier Magnus Maximus. For what it's worth, he's usually described as "good".

Maelgwyn is a very different matter.He's just about the best-known 5th century ruler in Britain, and he was the Big Swinging Dick of the Dark Ages. From next to nothing, he created the biggest kingdom in Wales by slaughtering everyone who stood in his way. As his borders extended eastwards he came up against the encroaching Saxons, and promptly kicked the crap out of them. Even Cerdic (conqueror of Wessex and founder of the royal house of Wessex- from which our current royal family trace their lineage) got horribly scragged when he pushed his luck against Maelgwyn.

So there you have it. If you're looking for the real British success against the Saxons, Maelgwyn's your boy. So why don't we celebrate him, instead of some mythical substitute? Here's why....

Even by the standards of Dark Ages kings, Maelgwyn was a complete bastard. The evidence suggests that he was too young to succeed to the throne on his father's death, but the teenager got the crown anyway by killing all contenders (his family). Those killings haunted him to the extent that he relinquished the throne and became a monk. However it seems that refraining from shagging and killing people wasn't to Maelgwyn's tastes, for he soon turned his back on the church. He was clearly a tall and handsome man, and spread his royal seed liberally around his lands. When he found himself geting a stiffie for an unobtainable woman (his nephew's new bride) he murdered his nephew and took the young widow as his latest conquest. However that's just scratching the surface....

Gildas didn't care for many of the kings he wrote about, but he really, really hated Maelgwyn. As far as he was concerned, Maelgwyn was a cross between Marilyn Manson and the Anticrist, doused in HIV+ semen and the Ebola filovirus. He calls Maelgwyn "The dragon of Britain" (the source of the later name "Pendragon"?), "Greatest in evil" and "tyrant". He also, in one section, accuses Maelgwyn of being "drunk on wine pressed from the vines of the sodomites". Interesting...

What did Gildas mean by that? He was a bit of a ranty old God-botherer, to be brutally frank, and he tended to steer clear of matters of the moistened loins. Murders and tyranny were fine as topics of discussion, but where his hated kings chose to poke their veiny bits was off the record. Except for that metaphorical line where Maelgwyn was concerned.....clearly this was a big deal for Gildas, but one he chose not to address directly. However the slightly later historians clearly weren't as coy and described Maelgwyn taking male and female lovers. By the time of Geoffrey of Monmouth, the official line was pretty much "Fiendish Whoopsie. Plays extended improvised solos on the pink oboe".

So why do we circle-jerk over the memory of a fictitious Arthur? Because certain people have a problem with the fact that our greatest Dark Ages hero was a vicious, unprincipled nymphomaniac who'd shag anything with a pulse, even if they were packing a big pair of hairy knackers under their kilt. Now anyone who's familiar with "Historical Filth" will know that this is just par for the course where great leaders are concerned, and that Maelgwyn was just another example of the archetypal hero-king sinking his poxy wick into anything that twitches. He's got "hero" written all over him. Let's sink a noggin of mead in memory of King Maelgwyn and his Knights of the Gaping, Splayed Arsehole!
 
As usual, a very interesting post, Kafka :goodjob:

I've always been interested in this subject, and in fact I have read last year a very good triology about it. It's written by Bernard Cornwell, who is also an historian. Anyway, his theory is that the reason why Arthur was not mentioned by Gildas is because he was a pagan, hated by the Church and most of the christians. Later, however, the legend denied the reality by assuming that Arthur was a paladin of the christian cause. In the early arthurian saga, there is mentioning of a female druid called Nimue, and also of fights between pagans and christians. In Cornwells book Arthur was against all the fighting, but that is merely speculation. In the book Arthur fights against Aelle and Cerdic.
 
Anyone ever play the old Sierra game, Conquets of Camelot? I bet that was a long way from accurate to.

Some jolly ole chaps in that era, wasn't there :)
 
hmm one thoery which has cropped up in recent times is that Arthur rather than being a name was in fact a title 'the Arthur' or 'the artur' - which could equally well apply to either 'candidate' in the article. Great read by the way (as always).

The title theory strikes me as being more sensible (once you strip away all the medeaval crap about knights of the round table etc - which is taken froma french story anyway), and would explain why no definitive individual has been associated with the legend.
 
:lol:

I've read a bit about Arthar and what your saying about him sounds about right. Some think he was just a good military general and not a king at all. He probably went from hero of the day into folk lore and then became that over the top medieval legend.

The Arthar story is all speculation, whenever i've read anything about it i was never convinced. Its just theory after theory, I think its a way for historians to unwind or something.;)

Maybe if Maelgwyn hadn't of been such a b*astard he would have enherited the title of British/Welsh hero.

PS: You should write a book on 'Historical Filth', I'd buy it.:goodjob:
 
Very enlightening post. I always thought there was something a bit fishy about old King Arthur.



Tangentially, Maelgwyn sounds a lot like the King David, "The Man After God's Own Heart." :jesus:

To think the Bible's not even censored and he's still celebrated as a hero...

:crazyeye:
 
I like the Monty Python version of King Arthur.
 
Dunno how many of you caught the King Arthur documentary on the History Channel last night. Pretty well done. They also seemed to lean toward the "composite" theory as to Arthur's origins, and put forward a number of candidates, such as Ambrosius, who may have contributed to it. Perhaps not surprisingly, they made no mention of Maelgwyn :mischief: :king:
 
Great article Kafka2, as always very interesting and :eek: . You hardly ever
hear anything bad about Arthur, maybe that is why your post was so
interesting :goodjob: , I've always thought it was an imaginary story for
the populance, not an actual historical figure.
 
I don't know about Arthur being gay... but Edward II definitely was.
 
Very colorful. Another alternative to Maelgwn and Ambrosius though is Riothamus. Died about 468. Geoffrey Ashe has a book suggesting that he is Arthur. I'm not sure about that but after reading Ashe, I am convinced that Geoffrey of Monmouth based his Arthur ( and thereby, all of the medieval legend stuff) on Riothamus. Quite a few parallels.
 
Very interesting. Sexual preferences in history doesn't surprise me anymore.
 
and now i fell dirty haveing read this good bye now
 
Interesting. Very interesting. But one note. Not that i'll report you or any thing but i'd watch the language.
 
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