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The real Three Gorges Dam was finished TODAY

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Still_Asleep, May 20, 2006.

  1. jpowers

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    The dynasty that built the Great Wall lasted 4 years after its completion, when some bribed guard let the whole Manchurian Army through. Fat lot of good this dam will do when some fish bribe the hyrdo-controller...
     
  2. Jafendel

    Jafendel Chieftain

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    I hope that the wonder video Hu Jintao sees has no artifacts :)
     
  3. picardathon

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    Well, 1.3 million displaced isn't that big a deal, in comparison to the deaths caused by the great wall, the rebuilding of the great wall, the connection of China's two major rivers (I think one is the Yangtze but I'm not sure of the other one) and the failed invasions of Japan ordered by Kublai Khan which annihialated the population of Korea.
    The whole reason China is able to accomplish these exercises in futility is because they have the most abusable peasant population in human history.
     
  4. Uiler

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    Well, a single bad flood from the Yangtze can kill off a million people in one go. Anyway, Chinese tend to be the most politically cynical people I know. As my Dad once said, "Chinese are like ants. If you stomp on a lot of them you don't even notice."
     
  5. Tony Montana

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    That is a very stupid and offensive comment.
     
  6. Uiler

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    My Dad is Chinese (from a peasant background as well) so I don't see what's so stupid and offensive about it. Chinese often make comments like this. They tend to be extremely cynical (one could say practical and realistic). If you want an optimistic naive bright outlook on life, you're not going to find it in China.
     
  7. luckrock

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    If u dad is chinese while u guy are not live or ever been in China now,stop u stupid saying from now on. One can't represent ten.yeah, some of Chinese may be cynical but not the others.
    while ,this thread is about three george dam ,not u personal option about the Chinese what they are.
    Despite of disadvantages of all u guys said,China is the only nation lasting more than 5,000 years as a unity on this planet and will lasting forever.
    Once the mogol horde invade and control the whole china but be drived out after 90 years in the 12th century .And the France and British army once captured Chinese capital in 1890s but finally give it up .The japanese did occupy nearly one half of China terrioty in 1940s back again to their small islands,finally it's the USA try to control China first from the north border of china (korea war) in 1950s and next from the south border of china (vietnamm war) in 1960s,but both failed.

    Ants are orgnized society and hard-working animal ,although one ant is weak before an elephant ,but with millions of ants,they can eat an elephants.Don't think Chinese are ants and u shook u foot they are scated.
    Chinese has its own world view and its own society structure,neither Marx' ideal communist where everyone will work for enjoy,nor capitalism that man in nature is greedy,it is so -called Chinese-special socialism.We have our way to go ,no need for Mr.Bush instruction to Iraq with democracy.
    For Three George dam ,i was born and living there.I have to clarify u guys option.First of all ,the main purpose is to control flood ,the flood in 1930s of Yellow River took more than one million lives .so resetter 1.3 million people is more suitable than they survive in the water when the bank crashed.
    Secondly ,the Chinese thinks one person should serve nation first,not the nation serves one person,we are collectivism and family-oriented.when the whole 1.3 billion Chinese people have voted that three george dam needed.those 1.3 million native people follow the decision and leave and resettered. That's simple.there is no existance so-called western "Human right".for lands are not personal property but the country's and government build new cities and afford them with new house and jobs.
    Last.the plan was not introduced by the current goverment,but as far as in the 1910s,the three gorge dam can't be built before this for its huge cost.The total spent is about 20-30 billions US$ in today's value,which is about 1/10 of Chinese GDP before 1980s and unafforble,and nowdays the cost of this project is about 1/100 of Chinese GDP this year.and it's body done untill today.
    As for earthquake ,we are not care about untill it reach lever 8,this stucture of the dam is strong enough,we only care of American Nuclear Missiles hit upon its body.
    Finally ,let's have a beer with one of the real modern wonder in Civ4 is done with its body.

    Milsoul ,May 26th
     
  8. Olleus

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    talk about offensive.

    Still, I suppose living in a country with the biggest damn in the world is more important than living in a country where you can say what you think.
     
  9. Padma

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    While this started out at least somewhat Civ-ish, it has clearly departed to Off-Topic status. So... Moderator Action: Thread moved.
     
  10. IglooDude

    IglooDude Enforcing Rule 34 Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Did anybody else get a wierd "God himself could not sink this ship" vibe from this?
     
  11. Uiler

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    *Sigh* My Dad grew up in China - in the rural countryside area. My other relatives who still live in Guangdong and surrounding areas (HK and Macao) who I go visit say similar things. Maybe it's just Cantonese but all the ones I know are cynical with respect to the government. None of the Chinese I know - relatives, friends, friends of relatives, friends of friends etc. really believe in democracy either. So no, they are not very pro-Western. Maybe Chinese are less cynical up north and don't automatically expect government officials to be corrupt. I agree with you that family is the most important thing for Chinese, but well I don't really see that sacrifice for the country thing being that popular. A lot of sacrifice for my kids, sacrifice for my parents, sacrifice for my brother, but for country...Not really. No, wait a moment, the younger ones, do seem to be pretty patriotic. Cynical but patriotic. It's a weird kind of attitude though. Cynical as in Communism sucks and the government is essentially corrupt. Patriotic though in being proud of being Chinese, out to show the world that China's back and strong and great faith in China's future.

    Since you believe that most Chinese are not cynical though, I guess you and most Chinese you know do not agree with these two statements:

    1. Corruption is very common amongst government officials.
    2. If 2 Australian miners get trapped it is world news but if 50 Chinese miners die no-one seems to care.

    Because all the Chinese *I* know agree with these two statements.

    I think we should seperate two things here. There is love of China and its people and culture and pride in being Chinese and then there's faith in the government. I am talking about cynicism about the government here. It is possible to love China and be proud of being Chinese and still distrust the Communist Party and expect government officials to be corrupt bastards.

    The point is the saying is not to say that Chinese are animals but is rather a caustic way of saying that the Chinese governments throughout history, esp. the Communist government, simply don't care if a dozen, a hundred, a hundred thousand ordinary Chinese people get killed. That is Chinese are as numerous as ants and the Chinese government or any other government including Western nations really cares as much for their deaths as if they were squishing ants. If it makes you feel better my Dad also said that China can fight America because it is willing to sacrifice 10 000 soldiers to kill one American soldier so I guess as you say, ants can kill just by swarming.




     
  12. Uiler

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    Yup. I think this is going to end up more Great Wall than Grand Canal myself. The Great Wall was pretty but useless. The Grand Canal was actually damn useful. Both killed tons of people in its construction of course.

    Personally I foresee this is going to be one of those things people regret later on. The thing is in Western nations they are taking down dams now. Long experience has shown that dams have to be quite carefully planned not to cause serious problems. And I'm not talking about just environmental or historical concerns. For example the Aswan Dam in Egypt. However now that the Nile has stopped flooding much of the fertility of the farmlands along the banks of the Nile has now been lost because it was the floods that brought the silt. Also various waterworks around New Orleans severely interrupted the deposit of silt which destroyed much of the surrounding wetland which was a key factor in the damage caused by the hurricane last year. Dams are not bad per se but have to be very carefully planned to avoid doing too much damage. And sometimes they are not really strictly necessary and other measures may have the same effects. This is why you don't see many massive dam building projects in the West anymore.
     
  13. blackheart

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    Let me correct this a little built. The dynasty that built the Great Wall preceded the Manchurian Qing Dynasty by about... 1500 years? It was the Ming Dynasty who fell to the Manchu, and it was because the governor of the province let them through, not sime simple guard. And the Ming were the ones to restore the Great Wall after a few hundred years of disuses after the Mongols easily invaded.
     
  14. blackheart

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    Well, that was the longest piece of jingoistic communistic rhetoric I've read thus far. I hope you enjoy your nonexistant "Human Rights" and no house because it belongs to the government.

    :goodjob: for communism.
     
  15. luckrock

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    Well,just talking on paper and not involved the reality can't make u clearly understand the importance we build this dam.

    From historical record,only in the 20 centry,the Changjiang River flooded 4 times,in 1931,about 288 milliion people was flooded and more than 148,000 of them were drowned,in 1935,142,000 people died ,in the year 1952, 3300 people were killed during the water and more than 14 million were involved and in the year of 1998 the flood cause a loss of 1320 lives .So ,if any "Human Rights" or political or economics or scientific or engineereing quarrels and doubt exist already in u mind,then throw them aside,we wanna alive first, facing the threat of flood.

    how many and how to resetter poeple ? the atual number till now is 119 million ,not 130 million from western news.and they are paid by new and large house for free,for companies,factories which need to move are taxed less than normal.
    -milsoul
     
  16. Rik Meleet

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    I understand from luckrock that the plans were started in 1910. I think 94 years is long enough to make a proper plan for the dam. (whether this is done I don't know). I simply hope it will turn out to be the smart thing to do.
     
  17. luckrock

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    Well,I am not a chinese commist party member ,nor working for the goverment.And has my own house already.
    I am just a Chinese man living in the earth village that encounter a guy name "US" with strong muscles,to pillage a weak graybeard name "Iraq" with his oil shop while shouting "hey,grimalkin,let me teach you a new living style name"Democracy."'.:lol:
     
  18. Shaihulud

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    There are several qualified Dam engineers who certified that the Three Gorges Dam is sound and there would be no catastrophic failure, the dam was build to withstand earthquakes. Indeed one of the fear was that the dam can be ruptured by a nuclear strike, so the dam is built exceedingly strong, so i do not think that it will fail according to some doomsday scenario by some eco-warrior.
     
  19. I am the Future

    I am the Future Oi Oi Oi !!!

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    Ahh, the last great triumph of modern engineering is compleated.
    :beer:


    BTW
    If you are going to post, use REAL words.
    Thank you.
     

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