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The road to Moscow - A French Hearts of Iron II AAR

Discussion in 'All Other Games' started by Dell19, Apr 21, 2009.

  1. Serutan

    Serutan Eatibus Anythingibus

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    Good work! Does look like we now have some division in need of rest & refit before another serious
    attack can be done, but hopefully we can still pinch off Banska Bystrica. Even if it doesn't have very many divisions, those are still divisions they lose. Hopefully we also bumped off some highly experienced divisions, which would make the wound still deeper.

    General,eh ? Obviously promotions come faster in this army than Kan's... :mischief:
     
  2. MajorGeneral2

    MajorGeneral2 Just happy to be here

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    Indeed. Considering the Allies' tech (based on the infantry in the last update's screencaps) and air advantage, beating the Soviets looks very doable, even with the inferior production.

    BTW, whatever happened to liberating Italy? I thought the plan was to release them after defeating Germany.
     
  3. Serutan

    Serutan Eatibus Anythingibus

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    Dell decided he needed to hang on to the IC.
     
  4. cardgame

    cardgame Obsessively Opposed to the Typical

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    I've just finished reading this thread, and with regards to the last pic, are we going to try to take Kosice or simply pincer them? :)

    I also think encircling won't happen as easily in the future if they focus their mech infantry and/or armor on the encircling lines... :p
     
  5. Dell19

    Dell19 Take a break

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    After I originally suggested the idea I then realised that we were actually over our supply limit of about 350 at the time so it didn't make sense to release Italy. Also we would get a little bit of dissent from releasing them. Our support limit is now around 410 and that is how much the allied army now needs.

    The current aim is to try and take Kosice and then trap what ever Soviet divisions remain in Banska.

    I'm away for the new few days so the next update will probably be next Sunday.
     
  6. Dell19

    Dell19 Take a break

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    The offensive of the previous month and shown the advantages of having a plan and allowing troops to regain organisation before attacking. The last moments of the Hungarian encirclement had seen casualty rates shoot up as divisions were committed that in an ideal world would simply take defensive duties. It was therefore no surprise that the first half of July was relatively quiet with no major attacks anywhere along the front line with the Soviets being allowed to retake Szeged on the Hungarian border. Finally on the morning of the 18th the peace was broken and the second allied offensive began.

    Four attacks began in the morning with objectives to encircle as many Soviet troops as possible. In Slovakia the objective was to encircle the Soviets in Banska by attacking Kosice whilst the allied command could not resist another attempt at capturing Krakow slightly to the north with its 5 factories and to try and make it difficult for the Soviets to reinforce Kosice. The attacks further south were the more ambitious. The plan was to capture Debrecen and Zrenjanin in Eastern Hungary and trap the Soviet troops in Novi Sad and Szeged.

    The July offensive begins:


    Our air force was split evenly between the four regions to support the attacks however that split would soon be cut down to three and then two. By midday it was clear that the Krakow attack was struggling and 4 hours later the attack was abandoned, Krakow would have to wait for another day. More positive news came from the south where at 21:00 victory was achieved. The early hours of the 19th saw another victory, this time in Kosice.

    The battle for Debrecen continued into a third day with our forces still having the advantage. The deciding factor would ultimately be the capture of Zrenjanin at 22:00 on the 20th. 5 tank divisions had captured the region and immediately pushed north to attack Debrecen from a new direction. 9 hours later the Soviet forces were finally forced to abandon Debrecen and our forces immediately captured the region.

    East Hungary encirclement complete:


    With Debrecen and Zrenjanin now under our control no time was wasted in beginning the attacks on the trapped Soviet troops in Novi Sad and Szeged. An attack on Timisoara to the east also began to ease the risk of a major Soviet attack on Debrecen and Zrenjanin before our reinforcements could arrive. After only two hours our armies achieved victory in Novi Sad.

    The expected Soviet counter attack was directed against Zrenjanin and the 22nd did not start well. The attack against Timisoara was going nowhere and had to be abandoned whilst our troops in Zrenjanin were forced to retreat. By 4am the situation had changed once again with the bulk of the infantry finally reaching Zrenjanin. This time the allied force was large enough to thwart the Soviet counter attack and 3 hours later the Soviets in Szeged surrendered. In total 24 Soviet divisions would be forced to surrender and as midnight approached, Novi Sad was secured by our troops.

    There would be no rest on the 23rd. This time the Soviets attacked Debrecen and forced our recently arrived troops in Zrenjanin to begin a new offensive against Timisoara and alleviate the pressure on Allied troops in Debrecen.

    Timisoara attacked once again:


    The attack proves successful in first forcing the Soviets to abandon their attack on Debrecen at 10am. Then our southern HQ division reached Debrecen and began to support the attack on Timisoara. The extra troops turned the battle in our favour whilst the HQ doubled the command limit and so another victory was achieved. At 4am victory was finally achieved whilst a second Soviet attack on Debrecen was immediately defeated as Allied reinforcements arrived at the front line just as the Soviet attack began.

    At 22:00 Szeged was captured whilst on the 25th Timisoara is captured three times with the third attempt finally proving enough to hold on to the region. Interestingly Timisoara then falls under UK control as several years previously they actually annexed Romania and thus legally own the majority of Romania. This had been almost forgotten by the French leadership and does somewhat remove the benefit of trying to push further East into Romania for the time being.

    What you may be wondering, is what happened to the attack on Kosice in the north? The Soviets continually reinforced the province whilst our attack continued which meant that our advance was snail paced. Finally at 3am on the 29th, 11 days after the original attack began, allied troops captured the region. It was obvious that our troops would be counter attacked so we started our own attacks on now surrounded Banska and also on Krakow.

    Fighting around Kosice:


    Happily the Soviets abandoned their attack on Kosice and at 9:00 the 7 Soviet divisions still in Banska were forced to surrender. An hour later victory was also achieved in Krakow. As the map above indicates, in the far south the news was less positive as the UK has failed to defend their 3 province border. The Soviets have broken through to the south of Sofia and we will now be forced to rescue the situation. Fortunately we have plenty of troops in nearby Yugoslavia and already have 4 Rep Spain Mountain divisions in the mountains around Sofia.

    In terms of troops numbers the Soviets have lost another 31 divisions although it is worth noting that they did have a large number of divisions fighting in Finland and it appears that the majority of those divisions have now joined the front line. This is why we are still meeting significant opposition to our attacks and have not been able to push the Soviets back further. Of course the Soviets now appear to have committed their reserve troops so if we continue to trap their armies then they will have no more immediate reserves to fill the gaps.
     
  7. Serutan

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    Eeeeeeexcellent. I think we should send the minimum possible forces to stabalize Buglaria/Greece,
    and concentrate on the North; otherwise we will start to become vulnerable to flanking attacks.
     
  8. Jos Ballenbak

    Jos Ballenbak Zombiehunter, duh.....

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    Can we surround many troops by moving our forces to Varna?

    Capturing Romania and Bulgaria is one of our top priorities as it will ensure a steadier line
     
  9. Dell19

    Dell19 Take a break

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    Not sure. Bulgaria is all mountains and hills so if we tried to go round Plovdiv it would probably be a similar to the attack on Kosice where initially there were at least 15 divisions in Banska but by the time we finally captured the region most of them had escaped.

    Its worth noting that we've entered August so we really only have a couple of months left of decent offensive weather until next year. We can still fight in Winter however our manpower is down to around 130 at the moment so we need to make the best use of the warmer weather.
     
  10. Jos Ballenbak

    Jos Ballenbak Zombiehunter, duh.....

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    Agreed, what's the next River line maybe we can advance to it and hold it as the winter line.
     
  11. Jos Ballenbak

    Jos Ballenbak Zombiehunter, duh.....

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    Oh, and would it be a good idea to take Plovdiv and Kuvala (?), there seems to be a great deal of Russians waiting to surrender.
     
  12. Dell19

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    Yep and on that note its time for the next update.

    Oh and in the north the next major river is the Vistula that in the game map runs past the west of Warsaw and then the branch that goes to the East looks like its meant to be the Bug as it goes past Brest. Its interesting comparing the game map to a real map and seeing how different it is:
    http://www.grid.unep.ch/product/publication/freshwater_europe/images/map16.jpg

    In the south we still have the remainder of the Danube between ourselves and Bucharest whilst the next river looks like being the Siret before we reach Bessarabia.
     
  13. Dell19

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    No one in the French army was particularly impressed when they heard the news that the British had been forced to retreat from Gorna in Southern Bulgaria. With the UK only fielding around 40* less divisions than the total French army it was expected that they would be able to hold the Bulgarian border however it wasn’t to be. The Soviets now had a route into Greece and if handled poorly they could perhaps attack southern Yugoslavia. It could have caused a massive headache for the French led allied forces but fortunately the recent attack on Eastern Hungary had recently finished so there were numerous divisions in nearby Nis which could be redeployed.

    *France has around 240 divisions whilst the UK has slightly over 200.

    Allied troops began moving towards Sofia to ensure that the recent UK defeat did not cause a disastrous chain reaction. Meanwhile further North, Krakow was briefly captured but 40 Soviet divisions force a quick retreat. On the 6th Krakow is once again captured and this time we begin a counter attack on Oppeln to the north of the city. The diversion works and both sides abandon their attacks. The Soviets also abandon an attack on Timisoara after 8 hours of fighting on the same day.

    By the 8th of August the city of Krakow is effectively secure after further divisions reach the city. Returning to the south our reinforcements have arrived in Sofia and begin to push towards Gorna. Oddly the Soviets have abandoned the region by advancing further into Greece and seemingly allowing us to trap their advance units.

    Krakow captured and attempting to close the front line:


    It would be the Soviets who made the next move. On the 13th they once again attacked Timisoara. It may have been simpler to retreat however then the region of Debrecen would have come under threat once again and there were a number of former Hungarian factories there. Their attack began at 3am and two hours later our own attack began to the north against Arad. Our attack proved successful by 8am

    Timisoara under attack:


    The victory in Arad proved enough to force the Soviets to abandon their attack against Timisoara as they no longer had as many troops to commit to their offensive. On the 14th Arad was briefly captured and the region was finally secured at 10:00 on the 15th to increase our presence in north western Romania. Meanwhile on the Greek/Bulgarian border we had begun our own offensive on the 13th. The 3 Yugoslavian divisions in Salonika attacked East into Kavala and quickly overwhelmed the 1 Soviet division in the region which meant that there was one less Soviet division to attack our troops from Sofia when they arrived in Gorna at midday on the 14th.

    Gorna captured but under attack:


    Gorna was captured by only two mountain divisions with further reinforcements yet to arrive. Even with the ideal mountainous terrain they were not expected to withstand the Soviet attacks from the west and east. Part of the Soviet advance had reached Stip however their 3 divisions there were quickly attacked from Sofia and Pristina to stop them joining the attack on Gorna. To the surprise of everyone, news broke at 1am on the 15th that not only had the Soviets been forced to retreat from Stip, but also they had abandoned their attack on Gorna.

    At midday on the 17th Kavala was captured with Stip liberated 22 hours later. Finally on the 20th enough reinforcements had arrived in Gorna and thus at 8:00 we attacked the trapped Soviet troops in Edessa. After an hour of fighting the 10 Soviet divisions surrender and another 4 divisions retreating from Gorna would soon also surrender. The Soviet offensive had turned into an embarrassing defeat with them losing another 14 divisions. Seemingly their command had believed that the Allied French forces would not come to the aid of the UK.

    Overview:


    After 3 months of fighting the Soviets have lost 76 divisions in a number of aggressive offensives by the Allied French forces. Those losses have been eased by troops arriving from Finland to replace those that have surrendered however they now no longer have these reserves which could have overwhelmed our armies. Even with the reinforcements they still have slightly less divisions on the front than the combined Allied army. In addition their equipment is worse so there is no reason to believe that we can not gain further victories.

    Looking at the overview of Europe, the capture of Slovakia gives us two main options for a future offensive. We can either move north towards Warsaw and attempt to trap Soviet troops in Western Poland or we could attempt to conquer Eastern Romania and trap the Soviet armies in the south. In terms of industry both regions would have similar benefits and we have a surplus of oil so capturing the Romanian coast is not a priority. The main argument for going North rather than South is that any newly conquered Polish provinces would fall under our control whilst if we attack into Romania they will fall under control of the UK.

    If we do pull off an encirclement in Poland or Romania in all likelihood we would then be in a strong position to then encircle even more troops in the other section. This is of course assuming that the Soviets do not launch their own attack, with the most likely area being the Hungary/Romania border. The Oder river and our existing divisions seem to have proved enough of a deterrent in the north and Slovakia currently has the majority of our army.

    Research:

    On the 19th we completed research of improved mechanised infantry and began researching advanced Synthetic Oil Plant. I had previously ignored this tech as we have few resource issues.
     
  14. Jos Ballenbak

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    What if we take Bulgaria and Western Poland? Would that be doable until winter comes?
     
  15. Serutan

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    I vote in favor of a northern offensive. I still say that Soviet salient along the Baltic is a potential
    hazard that needs to be eliminated.
     
  16. MajorGeneral2

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    Would there be any value to denying that oil to the USSR? If not, I'd say go North.
     
  17. Gelion

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    Polish offensive holds more dangers, Soviets will be better defended on river banks. I'd go for an encirclement through Moldova.
     
  18. Dell19

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    Most likely yes. Not actually sure when winter would reach Bulgaria in terms of time scales however it is reasonably small so it should be possible.

    Yep I'm pretty much in agreement as it would nice for the residents of Berlin to not hear Soviet artillery in the night.

    There would be little value as their starting territory provides a surplus without needing Romania as well.

    Either direction will have its risks. The likely assault route in the north would be to follow the eastern bank of the Vistula until we reach Warsaw with a final thrust towards the Baltic to cut of the Soviet armies there. As you suggest in the south we would likely go through western Moldova.
     
  19. Jos Ballenbak

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    Good then I will get my Jacket and hat and board the next train to the front.
     
  20. Gelion

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    I await the results. And if you ever get as far as puppetting Russia, you know what I'll ask ;)
     

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