Discussion in 'All Other Games' started by Dell19, Apr 21, 2009.
Some superb encirclements in the past few updates, excellent work
excellent work old boy.
I would say one thing in the UK's defence, they are also fighting against Imperial Japan, I imagine British troops are at a premium. On a brighter note, bravo at the destruction of vast quantities of the Red Army, I cannot see the USSR recovering from these blows.
I say we deal with the soviets first, then we redirect our power to the east.
We will have to go all the way to Vladivostok so a reasonable number of troops will eventually reach the border with Japan one way or another. Does raise an interesting point about whether we need to build a transport fleet to move units by sea to India rather relying on divisions marching through Russia.
We will constantly be under attack in the USSR, so maybe a divide and conquer?
Methinks we should knock out a good deal more more of both IC and divisions on the Russian front before even starting to contemplate dividing forces.
Well we do have a lot of troops on the border with Ukraine so it would be rude not to.
I was referring to diverting forces to India. Agree completely about Ukraine.
Like you said, the bulk of your existing army will be marching through Russia anyway on the road to Vladivostok. Building a small transport fleet will just for transferring newly-created units may not be a bad idea if you have some IC to spare, but since they'd end up in South Asia instead of North Asia with the existing forces they'd probably just end up reinforcing British positions rather than helping you out.
The Romanian campaign had reduced the fighting capability and now it was time to capitalise by pushing east however once again a large portion of the border was covered by rivers that would disrupt any attempted assaults. In central Europe there was one Soviet province that could be reached without crossing a river. It was an obvious choice however the Allied leadership believed that there was no real alternative so by the 19th July 150 allied divisions had arrived on the border with Stryj. In addition further divisions were still in transit and would arrive over the coming weeks.
Initially only a small percentage of the troops would be used from Stryj with the primary goal being the capture of Kiev whilst divisions would attempt to move north at the same time. As the 19th of July began so did the attack on Lvov with victory achieved before midday. Further north an attempt was all made to capture the region of Lomza, to the east of Warsaw. This attack was chosen to lessen the risk of the Polish capital falling to the enemy and also to test the Soviet defences in the North. The attack would achieve victory however the fighting had lasted 23 hours and the region would not be secure for another 2 days. Those two factors killed any plans for an offensive in the north, at least for the time being.
Another campaign begins with an attack on Lvov:
Lvov was captured at midday on the 21st and soon after troops began an assault to the north with the aim of Kowel. More troops were arriving in Lvov every hour and a significant number continued the push east towards Tarnopol which was captured towards the end of the 22nd and Kowel was captured on the 25th. Once again the attack was split with some troops moving north whilst the main group continued east towards Zhitomir. The 4 tank divisions moving north into Rowne reached their objective first early on the 26th. On the same day the Soviet resistance in Zhitomir was crushed and at 14:00 on the 27th the region was captured. Kiev was now in touching distance and on the 29th enough divisions had arrived in Zhitomir for the attack to begin.
The battle lasted 24 hours with the Soviets unwilling to relinquish control. The allied divisions suffered significant casualties however the end result was the same with our armies once again victorious. The casualties would force several army groups out of combat for a number of weeks with the majority staying in Zhitomir. Resting troops was a luxury the Allies could take given that more divisions were still moving out of Stryj. The city of Kiev would finally fall under French control on the 3rd of August.
Before the capture of Kiev there was time for a failed attack on Pinsk to the north of Kowel. Allied leadership had expected an attack from Rowne and Kowel to be successful however the 24 divisions could not dislodge the 16 Soviet divisions and so the attack was abandoned.
On the Dnepr! Excellent. Are you going to try driving down the west bank to achieve an encirclement?
I've been using the spelling from Wiki so not sure what the best spelling in English is.
The plan is to use the east bank instead.
After the capture of Kiev there was a pause to allow more troops to reach the front line. On the 8th Korosten and on the 10th Vyshgorod were captured as divisions pushed north into lightly defended regions. The capture of Vyshgorod was the first part of the new plan. Once again the aim was to encircle a sizeable portion of the Soviet army with the objective being to trap the Soviet divisions to the South West of Kiev. The capture of Vyshgorod increased the width of the front for the inevitable attack on Priluki which involved another river crossing.
Crossing the Dnieper river:
The battle started at 5:00 on the 10th and victory was achieved 3 hours before midnight and Priluki was successfully captured on the 12th to establish a hold on the eastern bank of the Dnieper. Elsewhere on the 12th a second attack began to capture Pinsk, Bielsk and Konigsberg. The objective of the attacks on Pinsk and Bielsk was to trap the Soviet army in Brest Litovsk whilst Konigsberg was deemed to be a key region to capture due to its Baltic port and airport.
Attacks on the Polish front:
The second battle of Pinsk saw twice as many Allied divisions committed to the battle and in addition Luniniec had been captured earlier to expand the attack front. This time the battle progressed favourably and after 9 hours of fighting all three battles had reached a successful conclusion. Konigsberg was captured on the 15ht, Bielsk on the 16th and Pinsk on 17th with the 8 Soviet divisions left in Brest Litovsk forced to surrender and the city captured on the 18th.
Back in Eastern Ukraine Poltava had been captured and the lead divisions were marching towards Zaporozhye as they continued to follow the Dnieper River. On the 22nd Zaporozhye was captured whilst our armies north of the Ukraine began to encounter stiffer opposition. Gomel, Chernigov and Mosyr had all been captured however on the 22nd our troops were forced to retreat from Vyshgorod, Mosyr also had to be abandoned on the 24th and a similar story was repeated in Gomel on the 25th. It was an important lesson that the Soviets were not yet beaten and a clear sign that Moscow would not be captured in 1945. The mood was still positive as the Ukrainian campaign continued with few issues.
Allied armies marching towards Melitopol to complete the encirclement whilst our armies in the north are forced to retreat:
On the 28th Melitopol was successfully captured and 66 Soviet divisions were now cut off. In previous encirclements the lead armies had adopted solely defensive duties however this time a number of units were allowed to continue an advance east. The change of policy was due to intelligence reports indicating that the bulk of the Soviet army was now either guarding the approach to Moscow or trapped in Western Ukraine. For instance reports indicated that only one Soviet division was in position to defend the Black Sea port of Sevastopol whilst Rostov was similarly undefended.
I know the Cyrillic spelling, so I just do a letter by letter transliteration to the Latin alphabet.
Good job with the encirclement - are you in any danger of it being broken into from
There isn't much risk as the Soviets have very few divisions east of Kiev so they would find it difficult to launch an attack there. In addition we could move more units to the front line as the usual aim is to have around 20 divisions in each front line province (its lower at the moment in the provinces east of Kiev as not all the divisions have finished moving.
Impressive encirclement there Dell.
Nicely done (again ...). Soon the whole South front will be open, Get on the Stalingrad-Highway.
Been in Ireland this week for a wedding so will post an update either tonight, tomorrow or tuesday.
In an hour it will be monday for me...
The capture of Meltiopol had completed the encirclement and also triggered a new round of attacks. On the western edge attacks began immediately to capture Chisinev and Stanislawow. Both battles reached a successful conclusion after 6 hours so a third attack began at 17:00 to capture Vinnitsa as the Soviet troops in the Ukraine were pushed back. The battle for Vinnitsa lasted into the early hours of the 29th with the Soviets retreating once again. By the 1st of September all three provinces had been captured and the next round of attacks had begun to capture Balta, Cherkassy and Mogilevi Podolski. The first two battles would reach a successful conclusion on the same day whilst victory was achieved in Mogilevi at 7:00 on the 2nd.
Attacks begin on the Western edge of the Soviet pocket:
The more notable event on the 2nd of September was that 16:00 the city of Sevastopol was captured by 3 tank divisions. The Soviet infantry division had been swept aside and the remnants forced to surrender. Kerch had also been captured to secure the peninsula and still no Soviet opposition was visible. In the north there were signs that the recent defeats had been halted. Mosyr was captured by the Soviets at 15:00 however an hour later they were forced to retreat and this time the Allies were confident that they would be able to capture and hold the province.
With our troops fighting on multiple fronts, the divisions being used to attack the Soviet troops in the Ukraine were often the less well equipped units that belonged to our Allies. The Soviet troops were also willing to fight for every centimetre of terrain so there were some set backs. Balta was captured on the 3rd but the Allied divisions were then forced to retreat. Sheer weight of numbers still gave us an edge though and the region was successfully captured the next day whilst in the east Stalino was captured and Rostov was in range. Rostov would be captured by a number of tank divisions on the 6th as they continued to advance with little opposition.
Allied divisions attempting to retake Vyshgorod:
On the 8th Vyshgorod was attacked for a second time as more divisions reached the front line north of Kiev and victory was achieved after only 3 hours of fighting. Cherkassy was captured on the morning of the 9th and as with Balta, our troops soon faced a Soviet counter attack. To aid the defence a new attack began to capture Krivoy Rog in one of the biggest battles in the Ukraine with 48 Allied divisions fighting in the battle. The result of the battle was ultimately a success as the Soviets were forced to retreat from Krivoy Rog after 9 hours of fighting however our divisions in Cherkassy were also forced to retreat.
Battle for Krivoy Rog:
After our victory in Vyshgorod in the north, the Soviets launched their own attack on Chernigov and once again we were forced to retreat. These setbacks though began to became less and less frequent and more gains were made elsewhere. On the 11th Karkov was captured as our armies crossed the Donets and victory was also achieved in the neighbouring province of Sumy. By the 14th the regions of Vyshgorod, Sumy and Novorossisk (east of Sevastopol and Kerch) had been captured. The far northern front had been relatively quiet so far but that would soon change. Bombing runs in the north had begun to spot more and more Soviet divisions moving East, presumably to cover the expanding front line. The Allied command decided to test the defences of the remaining Soviet divisions by launching a major offensive on the 15th to try and captured Suwalki, Bialysok and Slonim. Earlier on the same day an attack on Konotop (north of Sumy) had been successful).
The Northern offensive begins
The Soviets were clearly struggling to maintain a coherent defence as after 7 hours of fighting all three battles in the north had reached a successful conclusion. Now the Soviets were being pushed back on all fronts. Krivoy Rog briefly changed hands on the 15th hover Soviet reinforcements recaptured the region and a second battle would begin for ownership. Finally at 10:00 on the 16th our armies were victorious and the region was captured. To prevent a Soviet counter attack, Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk were attacked. After 10 hours of fighting victory was achieved in Dnepropetrovsk whilst the attack on Odessa was an organisational disaster and had to be abandoned.
The 17th saw a second attempt to capture Odessa and this time the attack went to plan and victory was achieved with the city captured on the 19th, on the same day that victory was achieved in Perekop to the south of Kherson. Two days later Perekop was captured and the final battle in the Ukraine would be begin. The last stand in Kherson would be made by 35 Soviet divisions with more arriving from Perekop and Dnepropetrovsk. The battle would last over two days with an initial victory on the 22nd and the final surrender occurring at 10:00 on the 23 of September.
The last Soviet resistance in the Ukraine:
Kherson was captured early on the 24th to end the Soviet presence in the Ukraine. Over the previous six days further gains had been made else where. Krasnodar, Konotop, Kamensk-Shakhtinski, Belgorod, Slonim, Chernigov, Konstatinovsk, Kursk and Kashary were all captured. Those gains were mostly in the South East where our tank divisions rarely encountered any opposition. Only one Soviet division was encountered guarding the Caucasus whilst seemingly the route to Stalingrad was undefended.
It is now the 24th of September so we can expect to see the effects of Winter to start to increase however we should be able to make at least a few more gains before the ground freezes. The front line is rather imbalanced due to the advance in the south so it seems likely that a lot of the divisions in Ukraine will move north once they have regained their organisation although some will have to move East to support the tank divisions that are largely operating on their own and have nearly reached the Eastern most point of the Don. I have been trying to avoid leaving gaps in the front line so those tank divisions have only moved forward when there is another division moving to close any potential gaps.
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