So, first a couple disclaimers. One, I am not trying to "shove things down your throats." If you don't like the topic that is pretty obviously suggested by the title you are, in fact, not constrained against going back to the list and choosing a different thread. Or not. My own experience is that when God wants someone to notice, they will, and I have no particular attachment to whether that occurs now for anyone. Two, I am following instruction for my own benefit. I'm instructed to witness, so I witness. I require no acceptance to have accomplished my task, and I also have no particular instructions as to how to proceed in the face of acceptance or in the face of rudeness...so I will most likely meet either the way I usually do. So. I want to start with a hypothetical from the arena of science. You know, that body of knowledge built through experimental verification of repeatable results that conform to prediction based on theory. The hypothetical is that through experimentation involving supercold fluids demonstrating conducting properties as predicted by a model produced by theoretical mathematician Wendelin Werner the intersection of percolation theory with conductivity has become the new breaking ground in superconduction theory. Now, before everyone runs for Wiki, that hypothetical does make at least a modicum of sense, but it is more important for what it demonstrates. YOU aren't going to reproduce the results. No one here is going to. Werner won a Fields Medal most of fifteen years ago and I'm fairly confident that if I had singlemindedly studied the work that won it for him ever since I'd still not really be able to follow it. No disrespect but other than Uppi there isn't anyone here that I seriously think is better equipped for the task than I am, so I think it is safe to say if we tried to follow this hypothetical current work we'd all fail. It's also, I think, fairly safe to say that none of us have a lab capable of hosting experimentation with materials held at single digit Kelvin temperatures. I certainly know that I don't. Now, Werner, should he come up with a theory that required such a lab to test, would in all probability be furnished with such a lab. So, the hypothetical stands as something that could happen, which in terms of our ability to reproduce it is completely beyond our means, as well as our comprehension. So there's that. Now, I've studied physics, in an interested layman sort of way. But I've been a hard practicing mystic for the best part of thirty years. Someone who wants to apply the scientific principle to my results is welcome to do so. Find an experimenter with similar qualifications, provide them a comparable laboratory, and I am comfortable that they will get repeating results. And that result is awareness of the presence of God. A presence that makes very clear why descriptions in human languages, particularly in the vocabulary of, for example, shepherds (no disrespect to shepherds intended) are completely inadequate guidance for the 21st century skeptic to reproduce the shepherd's experience. However, I ain't no shepherd. I relate to God in the language of n dimensional geometry and physics. I've practiced with various perceptions of three dimensional space and I'm currently practicing experience of time in nonlinear fashion. But despite thirty years of practice that I've invested I've not really become aware of God through my own efforts as a mystic. As I said, my recognition of the presence of God is his choice, not my practice. But that choice isn't unique to me. Many people, many of them with much less practice or much different practice, get the same repeatable results. The experiment doesn't take the unique intellect of a Wendelin Werner or access to one of a half dozen sufficiently equipped labs in the world...and it doesn't take thirty years as a practicing mystic. Because the heavy lifting is done by the other side. So, what I suggest for consideration is that you look at the vast numbers of people who are aware of the presence of God, and wonder if they are just a little better equipped to conduct what is in fact an experiment with a repeatable result. Wonder if, like something testing a Werner theory of conductivity that experiment isn't something that you happen to be able to whip off on a whim whilst perched on the toilet. Wonder if, with a little preparation and a proper laboratory environment you might just be able to repeat their results. If you can't hear God, it's not the fault of people who can that you just don't know how.