The Secret Border Patrol Facebook Group Where Agents Joke About Migrant Deaths and Post Sexist Memes

[Cloud_Strife]

Not only is it fascism, it's probably motivated by some sort of animus towards hispanics.

 

[Patine]

Not only is it fascism, it's probably motivated by some sort of animus towards hispanics.

An attitude that Joe Arpaio was a poster boy of...

 

[Rashiminos]

None of this actually supports your case that red states are hurt by immigration at all. It just shows you are completely incapable of even addressing the topic. Mexican cartels are not immigrating into alabama. This is a lie.

That wasn't the thesis of that paper. Still, what you claim isn't exactly correct regarding Alabama (some do operate there).

https://whnt.com/2018/07/23/sinaloa-cartel-activities-in-alabama/

MADISON COUNTY Ala. -- Earlier this month, authorities discovered the bodies of Oralia Mendoza and her 13-year-old granddaughter, Mariah Lopez. Investigators told WHNT that Mendoza had ties to the Sinaloa drug cartel, and had traveled to Georgia days before her murder to pick up methamphetamine.

This is not the first time the Sinaloa Cartel has had activity here in Alabama. The Sinaloa Cartel is a Mexican drug gang, with a large reach in the United States.

Our news partners at AL.com reported that same week, two cartel-connected meth dealers were sentenced to federal prison. Earlier this year, a cartel-connected man claimed he had killed three dozen people and planned a hit on an Alabama police officer.

Bret Hamilton an assistant special agent special agent in charge for Alabama's Drug Enforcement Administration. He said he's been following the Sinaloa Cartel for over 20 years.
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The asylum backlog is literally being done on purpose by the trump administration because it's ideologically racist and full of people who are bigots and racists individually.
This is a very basic fact about the "border crisis".

I wasn't aware racism was the crucial factor in deciding judge availability or the volume of attempted migration.

"Government willfully turning a blind eye to its own laws"?? I don't understand how you can be this ******* clueless and still feel entitled to comment on this topic. US immigration law was never intended to be what you would think of as "properly enforced." It has always been designed to create a class of "undocumented" people without legal protections who could be illegally exploited by employers. And what new resurgence of racism? This is the same racism that motivated the Eisenhower administration to carry out "Operation Wetback" to deport the bracero guest workers back in the 50s, in fact, the same racism that motivated the outright conquest of half of Mexico in the 19th century.

Back in the day they brought them in packed like sardines on ships. I'm sure we had casualties during the journey back then too.

Democratic leadership is fine with the status quo. They will pay lip service to how awful Trump's immigration policy is but I don't even trust the furthest-left Presidential candidates to unilaterally close down the concentration-camp system.

Of course they are.

No. The "corporate donors", ie, the employers of undocumented people, do not want amnesty, they want to continue to have a population that can't speak for itself or assert its rights without the threat of deportation or migrant detention.

Cheap labor was granted its own official status sometime before. It's not like illegal aliens can vote... yet.

This is actually the closest approach you've made to the truth so far in this thread (general note that Rashiminos claims to be an anti-government libertarian but supports the mass indefinite detention of people without trial). US funding of the security services in central American countries has indeed helped to drive the wave of violence that has caused people to become so desperate that they are taking seemingly-insane risks to get to the US.

Aside from calling me a libertarian, thank you. I don't want mass indefinite detention. I want trespassers who are going to get deported to get speedy trials so they don't have to waste their time and our resources in detention.

It is not "antisocial behavior" to cross an imaginary line without filling out all the government forms.

Trespassing is, although I'm sure leftists are concerned with the more mental versions of the concept.

Wait, are you actually under the impression that this paper somehow supports your argument?

Do you disagree with its claims regarding crime and diminished economic activity?

The asylum backlog is literally being done on purpose by the trump administration because it's ideologically racist and full of people who are bigots and racists individually.
This is a very basic fact about the "border crisis".

I wasn't aware racism was the crucial factor in deciding judge availability or the volume of attempted migration.

"Government willfully turning a blind eye to its own laws"?? I don't understand how you can be this ******* clueless and still feel entitled to comment on this topic. US immigration law was never intended to be what you would think of as "properly enforced." It has always been designed to create a class of "undocumented" people without legal protections who could be illegally exploited by employers. And what new resurgence of racism? This is the same racism that motivated the Eisenhower administration to carry out "Operation Wetback" to deport the bracero guest workers back in the 50s, in fact, the same racism that motivated the outright conquest of half of Mexico in the 19th century.

Back in the day they brought them in packed like sardines on ships. I'm sure we had casualties during the journey back then too.

Democratic leadership is fine with the status quo. They will pay lip service to how awful Trump's immigration policy is but I don't even trust the furthest-left Presidential candidates to unilaterally close down the concentration-camp system.

Of course they are.

No. The "corporate donors", ie, the employers of undocumented people, do not want amnesty, they want to continue to have a population that can't speak for itself or assert its rights without the threat of deportation or migrant detention.

Cheap labor was granted it own official status sometime before. It's not like illegal aliens can vote... yet.

This is actually the closest approach you've made to the truth so far in this thread (general note that Rashiminos claims to be an anti-government libertarian but supports the mass indefinite detention of people without trial). US funding of the security services in central American countries has indeed helped to drive the wave of violence that has caused people to become so desperate that they are taking seemingly-insane risks to get to the US.

Aside from calling me a libertarian, thank you. I don't want mass indefinite detention. I want trespassers who are going to get deported to get speedy trials so they don't have to waste their time and our resources in detention.

It is not "antisocial behavior" to cross an imaginary line without filling out all the government forms.

Trespassing is, although I'm sure leftists are concerned with the more mental versions of the concept.

Rashiminos' take of deporting 11 million people is fascism. Imo this country would be a much better place if we kept the immigrants - including the undocumented ones - and got rid of the fascists.

That is the appeal of granting red states a greater degree of political autonomy from blue states, mischaracterizations aside.

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Not only is it fascism, it's probably motivated by some sort of animus towards hispanics.

Nah. Try Californians.

 

[Patine]

That wasn't the thesis of that paper. Still, what you claim isn't exactly correct regarding Alabama (some do operate there).

https://whnt.com/2018/07/23/sinaloa-cartel-activities-in-alabama/




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Those operating in other countries for big organized crime groups are not usually trying to immigrate, legally or illegally. They're usually there for a specific purpose, and then to take the goods, profits, or head of the hit target home when they're done. That's NOT the same thing, there.

Back in the day they brought them in packed like sardines on ships. I'm sure we had casualties during the journey back then too.

Not the same thing at all. Very clumsy analog. What you're referring to WAS legal in the day, but really shouldn't have ever been.

Trespassing is, although I'm sure leftists are concerned with the more mental versions of the concept.

Trespassing, by legal concept, implies entering unwanted on property with a single ownership whose exerting legal will. North Korea, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and (by different legal reason) Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, and Brunei are nations, as actual nations, that fit that bill, but precious few others in the modern day. I'm not even sure China does anymore, since the Deng-era policy changes.

Do you disagree with its claims regarding crime and diminished economic activity?

Not inherently so. That's circumstancial. Look at Las Vegas being set up by the Mafia as a counter-example.

That is the appeal of granting red states a greater degree of political autonomy from blue states, mischaracterizations aside.

There typically greater penchant for more backward, retrograde social agendas and desire to make legislation of it (despite the hypocrisy of that mixed with their claims of freedom, liberty, and small, limited government) makes the idea of such greater autonomy highly dubious, though.

Nah. Try Californians.

What exactly about Californians?

 

[Lexicus]

I wasn't aware racism was the crucial factor in deciding judge availability or the volume of attempted migration.

Well, now you are. The Trump administration is purposely throttling the asylum process for no legitimate reason. It is a policy called "metering" and while it was practiced under Obama in an ad-hoc fashion it has become systemic under Trump. It serves two main functions: it allows the administration in general and CBP in particular to pretend there is a "border crisis" when the only real crisis consists of their policies. And it severely limits the number of people who actually get their asylum claims processed.

Trespassing is, although I'm sure leftists are concerned with the more mental versions of the concept.

Trespassing =/= illegal entry
Trespassing is also often not antisocial activity either but the mere fact that you need to conflate illegal entry with trespassing shows you know you don't have an argument.

I suggest to everyone passing by this post to read this piece:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/07/this-week-in-terrible-immigration-news-2

That is the appeal of granting red states a greater degree of political autonomy from blue states, mischaracterizations aside.

Yes, I admit this has some appeal for me too but all the potential victims in the red states need to be protected from you people.

 

[Rashiminos]

Yes, I admit this has some appeal for me too but all the potential victims in the red states need to be protected from you people.

There it is. Budding neocolonialism spotted.

 

[Lexicus]

There it is. Budding neocolonialism spotted.

I can't decide whether to go with "there it is: neo-confederate crap spotted" or "there it is: bad-faith argument-dodging spotted"

 

[brennan]

Hmm, got an interesting case for you fellas across the pond:

Tommy Robinson begs Donald Trump to grant him political asylum in US

We'll pay you to take him.

 

[Rashiminos]

I can't decide whether to go with "there it is: neo-confederate crap spotted" or "there it is: bad-faith argument-dodging spotted"

Bad faith spotted is best reserved for Estebonrober's direction. As much as I'm broaching secession here the other is not an uncommon perception.

Hmm, got an interesting case for you fellas across the pond:

Tommy Robinson begs Donald Trump to grant him political asylum in US

We'll pay you to take him.

Maybe, but I don't think he's totally abandoning Brexit.

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Those operating in other countries for big organized crime groups are not usually trying to immigrate, legally or illegally. They're usually there for a specific purpose, and then to take the goods, profits, or head of the hit target home when they're done. That's NOT the same thing, there.

Let's recap: They visit other countries to conduct some criminal business, foist some damages on the local community, then return without any interconnection with the immigration system, let alone gaming it to help shuttle goods and person back and forth. Okay.. I think I got it...

What you're referring to WAS legal in the day, but really shouldn't have ever been.

Agreed.

Trespassing, by legal concept, implies entering unwanted on property with a single ownership whose exerting legal will. North Korea, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and (by different legal reason) Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, and Brunei are nations, as actual nations, that fit that bill, but precious few others in the modern day. I'm not even sure China does anymore, since the Deng-era policy changes.

In the more everyday sense it means violating peoples' spatial and personal boundaries (often associated with other wrong activities). A women's consent is one such "imaginary" boundary.

Additionally, you could check the US code for mentions of the word "trespass: as an extracurricular exercise.

Not inherently so. That's circumstancial. Look at Las Vegas being set up by the Mafia as a counter-example.

Is that more the exception or the rule? Would you mind the mafia expanding their operations in DC, Seattle, Portland, etc..?

There typically greater penchant for more backward, retrograde social agendas and desire to make legislation of it (despite the hypocrisy of that mixed with their claims of freedom, liberty, and small, limited government) makes the idea of such greater autonomy highly dubious, though.

You don't have to be shy. You can call them backwards savages if you want. We already know you wouldn't be able to trust them to run their own affairs.

What exactly about Californians?

Californian progressives think their style of governance should totally set (inter)national policy. Barriers to that end like the Electoral College should be eliminated.

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Well, now you are. The Trump administration is purposely throttling the asylum process for no legitimate reason. It is a policy called "metering" and while it was practiced under Obama in an ad-hoc fashion it has become systemic under Trump. It serves two main functions: it allows the administration in general and CBP in particular to pretend there is a "border crisis" when the only real crisis consists of their policies. And it severely limits the number of people who actually get their asylum claims processed.

Imagine if you were calling out empty beds instead of racism (much like the shutdown gamesmanship). Narrative is a choice.

 

[Estebonrober]

There it is. Budding neocolonialism spotted.

You are very much welcome to move to Poland, Hungray, or Austria. They like your alt-right ethno-state ideals. Go, find your paradise.

 

[Estebonrober]

Bad faith spotted is best reserved for Estebonrober's direction.

Says the man who hasn;t managed to back up wone of his claims with anything approaching the topic actually at hand. Immigrants are not responsible for even a large minority of crime in red states or anywhere else for that matter. Red states are the debtor states excluding New Mexico.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Says the man who hasn;t managed to back up wone of his claims with anything approaching the topic actually at hand. Immigrants are not responsible for even a large minority of crime in red states or anywhere else for that matter. Red states are the debtor states excluding New Mexico.

New Mexico is a red state? Catch up man, the conservatives have lost New Mexico. Probably why their economy is normalizing.

 

[Estebonrober]

Not really. I'm saying it was not unpredictable. If you boil water long enough, you get steam. If you continue that policy, you'll help generate more guys like him.

So yes you are justifying right wing terrorism. Okay.

 

[Estebonrober]

New Mexico is a red state? Catch up man, the conservatives have lost New Mexico. Probably why their economy is normalizing.

No I meant that it was the only blue debtor state that I'm aware of at the moment.

 

[Birdjaguar]

My thoughts...

2) Completely unrestricted immigration would bring enough people to have very bad short-and-medium-term effects.

You need to explain this. What are the very bad effects you predict? Or are you just hedging behind the words "completely unrestricted"? I don't think anyone is advocating unrestricted immigration.

Castro.

Fidel Castro is dead and he cannot be an effect if immigration. Raul Castro is certainly not coming to America so he cannot be an effect of it either. So I ask again. What are the very bad effects you predict?

Says the man who hasn;t managed to back up wone of his claims with anything approaching the topic actually at hand. Immigrants are not responsible for even a large minority of crime in red states or anywhere else for that matter. Red states are the debtor states excluding New Mexico.

NM has certainly gone blue. We are a debtor state because we are poor and have three significant DOD labs that are supported by federal dollars. Those labs have very big budgets and we love having them here.

 

[Estebonrober]

NM has certainly gone blue. We are a debtor state because we are poor and have three significant DOD labs that are supported by federal dollars. Those labs have very big budgets and we love having them here.

some of my favorite labs. . . good point on why they are a debtor state too.

 

[Berzerker]

states with lots of federal land, Indian reservations, and government facilities/parks/military bases etc tend to get more federal $$$

 

[Yeekim]

Who, of those who would likely ever have the power to enact it as a policy in the foreseeable future, has advocated "completely unrestricted" immigration.

No-one, I would expect? What is wrong with pre-emptively covering a theoretical edge-case in a theoretical argument?
Especially considering people in this very thread refer to borders as "imaginary lines" and seem to think detaining or deporting people who've illegally crossed them is a priori evil.

"Government willfully turning a blind eye to its own laws"?? I don't understand how you can be this ******* clueless and still feel entitled to comment on this topic. US immigration law was never intended to be what you would think of as "properly enforced." It has always been designed to create a class of "undocumented" people without legal protections who could be illegally exploited by employers.

Very well, "laws designed to not be properly enforced", if you insist on the difference. Makes it even worse - and does not change my original point.

And what new resurgence of racism? This is the same racism that motivated the Eisenhower administration to carry out "Operation Wetback" to deport the bracero guest workers back in the 50s, in fact, the same racism that motivated the outright conquest of half of Mexico in the 19th century.

It was @Cutlass who mentioned "resurgence" of racism, so you may take it up with him if you wish.

...left-wing politics? Solidarity with oppressed people? Simply...and I know this'll a heavy lift for someone like you...not being racist? /.../
Democratic leadership is fine with the status quo. They will pay lip service to how awful Trump's immigration policy is but I don't even trust the furthest-left Presidential candidates to unilaterally close down the concentration-camp system.

Care to explain what "someone like me" was intended to mean in this context?
If you weren't so busy trying to be insulting you might have realized that I was referring to the same bloody problem you yourself spelled out in the very next paragraph.
I didn't come up with your stupid two-party system.

Rashiminos' take of deporting 11 million people is fascism. Imo this country would be a much better place if we kept the immigrants - including the undocumented ones - and got rid of the fascists.

So I guess that means you want to "get rid" (what a cute euphemism) of ~60 million Trump supporters, right? That's certainly not simple fascism any more... approaching proper Khmer Rouge territory.
Well, I guess someone like me would not understand the appeal.

 

[Rashiminos]

You are very much welcome to move to Poland, Hungray, or Austria. They like your alt-right ethno-state ideals. Go, find your paradise.

Tempting, but now you're proposing to do something 'worse' to those small countries than "11" million are doing here.

~30 million Americans moving to Europe will probably sink the EU.

Spoiler :

The other problem is that you don't want them to leave either, but that's a bit harder to acknowledge.

So yes you are justifying right wing terrorism. Okay.

No more so than saying poverty is associated with crime.

 

[Patine]

Tempting, but now you're proposing to do something 'worse' to those small countries than "11" million are doing here.

~30 million Americans moving to Europe will probably sink the EU.

I notice you completely ignored my list of several responses, and a couple questions to things you'd said above. A number of valid points, I think. Perhaps you're stumped by them, and hope ignoring them and not addressing them will drop them from the whole conversation. A tactic @Mouthwash also seems to think is valid.