The source of evil.

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A friend of mine is angry at God because, he feels, if all good extends from God than so must all evil. He feels there is much evil in the world. If God exists God is a cruel SOB. Therefore he has chosen to abandon his faith in God and embrace atheism.

My POV: I think that God IS all. God was one, perfect, complete. But the "creation" was actually more of a splintering. God empowered individual souls -- splinters of God, that are still part of God -- to have free will. The free will is the source of misery, because we can't see the BIG picture, like God can. If we could see it, we would always make the right decisions, decisions that would lead to everyone's happiness, and by extension our own.

But we, each individual, perceives the world in terms of ourselves, so we make decisions that benefit only ourselves, without regard to the big picture. Because of circumstance or natural talent some are more capable of benefiting themselves than others. This is reason there is inequality in the world, and the inequalities are the source of misery.

Not God.

God suffers w/ us when we suffer (this is the meaning of the parable of Jesus who is representative of God as man,) and would like nothing more than to end suffering. But the gift of free will that God bestowed to us would have to be taken back for God to intervene.

And free will is what gives us our identities. You ARE your free will. It is your "soul." Without it you would cease to exist, so you definitely want it. The misery on Earth is worthwhile in exchange for the independence.

When we "sin," we are taking action that is self-aggrandizing (a FRACTION of God) at the expense of the collective (the WHOLE of God.) What specifically is a sin is what we debate about. Some have a scientific view of sin -- murder, environmental degradation, slavery etc... while others view the literal word of the Bible as defining sin -- homosexuality, consumption of pork etc... which seem arbitrary to those w/ a more scientific bent to their philosophy.

I favor a secular, scientific view of sin, and do not interpret the Bible literally. To a fundamentalist, strict adherence to the Bible is a safeguard against interpretation that undermines the purpose of the faith. By holding the literal word of the Bible as sacred, the theory goes, it minimizes the opportunity for corruption.

But I think it can be perilous because it functions as a short-cut to thinking for many of the faithful. It acts as a barrier to enlightenment, in the same way that someone who uses a cheat sheet to maximize one's score on a test rather than studying for the exam. True enlightenment cannot be taught or transcribed, because the soul has not interfaced with the wisdom scanned with the eyes until it is connected in the mind. An inorganic document like a Bible is simply scrawls on paper until the pulsating consciousness interprets it.

A literal interpretation will carry you through the motions of salvation, but it will not save you.

EDIT: Changed name of thread f/ "The source of evil" to "Statement of Faith" because there are too many "evil" oriented threads on CFC-OT.
 
God is love and his fallen angel (Satan or 666) is the source of all bad.
Money is the source of all evil too!
 
The source of evil is when one thinks of other people as things rather than people.
 
IIRC God (in the guise of George Burns) already explained all this.

To paraphrase- "you can`t make a coin with only one side"

Although, speaking for myself, if I were a God and couldn`t make a coin with only one side then I`d be pretty peeved- if that`s omnipotence then you can shove it.
 
Actually, in this universe, balance is all. Didn't you watch SWE1 & 2? Ani brings balance to the force!

But it is a good point. You can't have one without the other. Good/Bad, Right/Wrong, Up/Down, Left/right. .. it's all connected.

But I also am pretty sure that the source if evil is inside man's own heart. We define what is good and evil, simply by living it. Free will, fate, predetermination. . . .it's all a figment of your imagination. The source of all good and evil is right there between your lungs.
 
Going strictly by Biblical standards, then selfishness is the root of all evil. The command is to put God first, last and only. Putting yourself before God is where it all comes from.

J
 
There is no evil, just estranged & misguided creatures. I don't believe there is God either but that's another can of worms.

Originally posted by onejayhawk
Going strictly by Biblical standards, then selfishness is the root of all evil. The command is to put God first, last and only. Putting yourself before God is where it all comes from.

J
Beliefs like these lead to much confusion, methinks. After all, everyone has a different view of God, their own God so to speak. By putting one's imagined "God" first (which is really simply putting your ideals first) and one's own desires and needs second one ends up dissatisfied and resentful. This is magnified when others scoff at one's beliefs and self-denial (think of an idulgant American laughing at a self-repressed Muslim fundamentalist & you can picture what this "my God first" attitude is capable of).

Putting oneself second to ideas (God being an idea) only leads to dissatifaction in oneself and others. Animals are purely selfish, that's why the love of an animal is so pure, a dog doesn't love you because it is right or because God says "love thy master", a dog loves you because he loves you.

Unlike the Bible (or at least today's processed & altered version of it), I believe man is basically good. Take care of yourself first & be happy & then you can take care of others. An unhappy, guilty, fearful (or God-fearing) person can never truely give to another.

Just my two cents.

- Narz :king:
 
'Evil' arises out of attachment to the world in human beings. The "original sin" of mistaking yourself for a discrete unit rather than part of the oneness of the universal totality creates the attachment to your body, your family, your nation, whatever; and in that you see evil from good, you feel fear, sadness, etc. The great work in this life is to undo that initial seperation, and then evil, with good, dissappears: this is what it means to go "Beyond Good and Evil" and it isn't easy.
 
Originally posted by Mrogreturns
IIRC God (in the guise of George Burns) already explained all this.

To paraphrase- "you can`t make a coin with only one side"

Although, speaking for myself, if I were a God and couldn`t make a coin with only one side then I`d be pretty peeved- if that`s omnipotence then you can shove it.

God could make a coin with one side. It would exist in a 2 dimentional world. He is capable of doing that. Of course all the laws of physics would essentially be useless
 
Or you could make a coin that was a mobius strip.
 
Originally posted by Mrogreturns


So why didn`t George Burns think of that?

lol
 
Originally posted by Furry Spatula


God could make a coin with one side. It would exist in a 2 dimentional world. He is capable of doing that. Of course all the laws of physics would essentially be useless

If you are omnipotent then why couldn`t you make a one-sided coin our universe? Is the fact that it is impossible going to stop an omnipotent being? How do we determine whether or not an omnipotent being is constrained by the laws of logic?
 
Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
The "original sin" of mistaking yourself for a discrete unit rather than part of the oneness

Originally posted by YNCS
The source of evil is when one thinks of other people as things rather than people.

I believe one follows the other. Which one, I can't be sure. Sultan's "evil" is a large system, with denial of brotherhood being just one component. This system makes the most sense if we ignore human nature as a possible motive or secret architect of the system itself. YNCS's "evil" is so insurmountable that human nature would orbit the problem for eternity, acquiring a view not unlike Sultan's in the process. I see the rationality of Sultan's words, and also why I desire to see it.
 
Evil is a human concept, and it's in every being. For example, the behaviour of a lion killing the male cubs (is this the word for young lions?) in order to eliminate future competition would be considered by a human as evil. Evil is in nature.

If God exist, he is for sure evil, as he created a world where being evil (in our way to see the things) is a clear advantage (the lion killing the cubs will have a better live that the one not doing it).
 
It is my opinion that if there is no God, this world would look like.... the world we live in!

If there is a God, this would look like...... a better place.
 
The evil one is the (temporary) ruler of this world, until the second coming of Christ. - According to Jesus Himself.

The grand plan of the Lord can be hard for us to understand, but in the end, it was all for the purpose of bringing glory to the Father.

In the mean time, you have a choice - have faith, or not.
The strong shall indeed be separated from the weak.

Be angry at the Lord God? If you are angry at Him, that simply means you don't know Him very well - because if you did, you would love and follow Him, not be angry. Anger at God is the product of the man being fooled and confused by the evil one.

Narrow is the path to righteousness, and there are few that find it.
 
Originally posted by PantheraTigris2

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Be angry at the Lord God? If you are angry at Him, that simply means you don't know Him very well - because if you did, you would love and follow Him, not be angry.

I suppouse you must known him personally then. I only know him because someone wrote about him in a book. But people write in books so many things ....

If using my mind (which was given to me by Him) is a reason to be punished for all the eternity, then God is evil.
 
Jorge has it right. Evil is an entirely human concept. The question in the thread makes invalid assumptions.

Evil doesn't exist per se. What does exist are events, actions, behaviours and intentions that one or other group calls evil from time to time because they pose a threat to that group's continued existence in the form they're used to.
 
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