embryodead
Caliph
Added Hellenoupolis for Harran.
As far as I can tell, Perre is the Greek name for Adiyaman, and since crusaders also used it, I assume it's fine for Byzantine Greek as well. Added Hısn-i Mansur as Arabic name though.
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Added Hellenoupolis for Harran.
As far as I can tell, Perre is the Greek name for Adiyaman, and since crusaders also used it, I assume it's fine for Byzantine Greek as well. Added Hısn-i Mansur as Arabic name though.
embryodead
Caliph
Civ 5 doesn't have the modding capabilities of Civ 4, nothing like this mod (and many others) is possible in Civ 5 at this time.
No, this is a standalone mod, but it already includes Epic speed in addition to Normal.
a bit off-topic, but apart from RFC family mods (see other RFC subforums) my personal favorites were Dune Wars and Planetfall (both are sci-fi though).
embryodead
Caliph
The second solution also solves the first issue (original SuperSpies mod has Intelligence Agency add +2 XP so you can buy Infiltration I). I'm not sure if I want to add another building - there's quite a lot already. Brothel is kind of empty now and would be ideal, though I have issues with the name. Alternatevily Inn +1 and Brothel +1 (one requires the other anyway). That would be it.
Nope.
Yes, done.
I'm not sure what you mean. "too powerful..." happens when the vassal is too powerful compared to the master (the vassal has to be much less powerful, I think <50%).
I don't see anything wrong here tbh.
Fixed, thanks.
It's a good penalty for murdering hundreds of thousands of people. As for the diplo penalty, AI has a memory which fades over time (randomly).
It just works this way.
Yeah, I'll think about it. It could spread religion to all cities in the province and in a few cities in surrounding provinces, including cities that you do not own.
A lot of resources appear and disappear at various points in time to make certain areas better/worse. In this case it reflects the fact that many Levantine cities lost its importance after Crusaders & Mongols (Gaza itself was razed).
I'd rather not go through it and list every detail tbh.
I'm not really adding anything new unless there's a good art & idea available.
embryodead
Caliph
Your analysis is good. There's no relation to human player's stability in this script, but all this script does is the killing, not the spawning, which is done by the 'resurrection' function, which takes city owner's stability into account.
embryodead
Caliph
This kind of stuff hasn't been made for Civ4 and most likely won't even be made, unless someone feels like rewriting much of the diplomacy table. Civ4 diplomacy is too simple for this.
More of a Civ4 bug that I won't be able to fix either.
AI civs that are preceeded by barbarian invasions can flip extra barbarian/minor cities outside of their core.
embryodead
Caliph
Are Zengids, Malwa, Portugal and others expected to be playable some day? Played some of them, Portugal and Malwa were nice challenges though no historical conditions at the moment.
I've got no such plans. Was thinking of Malwa but see below.
- Malwa and Bahmani aren't scripted but they're rather minor, never really expanded or collapsed quickly.
- Zengids only have some units generated to attack the Crusaders, but they are really shortlived.
- Apart from all the invasions, Portugal reguarly receives carracks and other ships in random places, as well as extra units in Goa/capital; they are also immune to collapse and immortal.
embryodead
Caliph
They are already set to be defensive, as per Leader XML. Feel free to modify it further.
Out of pure curiosity, why did you name Tocharistan as "Bactria" in python? You don't even want to know how many exception I got for play rTocharistan everywhere!
Because I originally used "Bactria", which is the usual, historical name for the region.
There is no discrepancy, you mixed up two (three?) cities in different locations. Tartus/Tortosa is (20,47), 1 tile North of Tarabulus/Trablussam/Tripoli, which is (20,46). Both are in Lebanon, and one is sometimes founded instead of the other. Tarsus is the city in Cilicia.
Out of curiosity, why did you add the Sindhi's to spawn in 1058? And why are they Shi'ite? I've being doing some research and it seems as if they should spawn as Sunni's and earlier, then again my source is wikipedia, so perhaps you have a better source...
There is no good source for the history of medieval Pakistan really, and wikipedia is terrible as well, with conflicting data in different articles, sometimes even the same ones. I used it as well, and at that time it had 1058 as the date of Soomro's independence, and now it says 1026, and then 1011 in the same article, few paragraphs later. I can change it to 1011, it'll make a bit more sense with Mahmud's invasion.
There were Ismaili and Qarmatian Shi'ites in Multan & Sindh, esp. before Mahmud, although again, it depends on who edited the article (Bahmanis were first called Shia dynasty then someone edited it and changed them to Sunni, saying Shias only started to spread with Safavid Iran). Note that Sunni Islam automatically spreads to Sindh, and also Sindh respawns as Sunni Sultanate, to reflect that Sunni Islam dominated later. This happens most of the time for me, I mean, in 14th+ I usually see them as Sunni. Also, now I added another Sunni spread event 1020 since the start has moved to 1011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest_of_South_Asia#Communities_in_the_North-West (Ismailis)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soomro (Qarmatians)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soomra_Dynasty (1026/1011)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samma_Dynasty (Soomra as vassals of Shia Fatimids)
embryodead
Caliph
Like with many UHVs, no reason other than a sensible point for UHV check.
It's explained in the civilopedia.
You don't have to switch, it was just a "hack" to make it easier.
Because the building art is Kaaba, not Masjid al-Haram.
Sunni only - because Medina was the original capital of the (Sunni) Caliphate and there never was unified Shia caliphate, as Shias were more like local rebels or outlanders. Tradition/legitimacy thing.
Name - same reason I used House of Wisdom and Spiral Minaret etc.
It's possible, but it would be rather annoying considering it happens every 4-5 turns or so. I might add it as an XML option.
I don't want to because the AI isn't as good at handling them as the human. I can add more units in case Mughals are human-controlled.
I'll think about it. At least the LH isn't big.
embryodead
Caliph
The version currently up on SVN (Rev. 124) is most likely what I'll release as 0.3.4 tomorrow or on Monday. Here are the patch notes:
Spoiler :
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That sounds great. I also agree with the name change since it's more of a training ground for spies. The piety penalty would have to be eliminated as well.
When I hover over Vassal State it says "You've grown too powerful for us." From what I can tell this should only come up if I end up winning when they become my vassal. But I used world builder and adding them as a vassal did not put me over the domination land threshold.
Blitz is a useful promotion and I'm not sure why it requires a tech in the first place, let alone one that's near the end of the tech tree so a lot of civs don't get to use it.
Fair enough.
Is it realistic? If you conquer a city that wasn't anywhere near your borders it would take time for them to integrate into your culture but thanks to Influence Driven War part of the population magically culturally identifies with your civ.
Hopefully somebody will. Using other civs' UU's is a neat idea.
How come?
Zengid UHV could be having to conquer the Levant before the Ayyubids spawn, and then having to defeat Saladin for control of Egypt. They did the former but weren't able to do the latter in real life. Being on such a strict timeline could be a lot of fun.
Portugal is another cool civ. I don't see anything wrong with the human player receiving reinforcements from the homeland but being immune to collapse would have to go if it would be made playable.
There's always a couple of notifications at the beginning of the turn so having one more every 5 turns isn't too bad.
Right now it's Joao II who wasn't king when they started creating their Indian Ocean empire.
Is it possible to use spies to cause a city revolt in rebel cities?
Right now Spies can perform Assassin missions and vice versa.
The Kaaba/Prophet's Mosque doesn't provide culture for anyone because you need to conquer the city. This is pretty minor and I don't know if this can be changed or is just a function of the game.
When hovering over the Maintenence part of the city screen the word governing has an extra "en".
I like the Vikramanditya change. Much better IMO.
Could you also prevent a civ from vassalizing when they first spawn until they flip their cities? The Mamluks asked to be my vassal when they only had Cairo but when they flipped the rest of Egypt they said they were fine on their own.
Great to see you back on SOI Embryodead !
About the pilgrimage to mecca event, did you make the inflation fade over time ? Like starting at 100%, then progressively getting lower until a final ~25% ? And/or give a sort of bonus, whether a +2
in all cities or 300 
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About the pilgrimage to mecca event, did you make the inflation fade over time ? Like starting at 100%, then progressively getting lower until a final ~25% ? And/or give a sort of bonus, whether a +2
in all cities or 300 .
embryodead
Caliph
Great to see you back on SOI Embryodead !
About the pilgrimage to mecca event, did you make the inflation fade over time ? Like starting at 100%, then progressively getting lower until a final ~25% ? And/or give a sort of bonus, whether a +2
Pilgrimage to Mecca is a different event from Mansa Musa's pilgrimage. The first one is about piety, the other is about inflation in Egypt. I only fixed the first one.
As for Mansa Musa, I'm not doing progressive inflation as that would rather complicated. Currently the event just uses the built-in event system which provides a one-time inflation change. That, and I really think the event is bearable.
(I've actually followed the Mamluk Domination succession game closely and you guys barely felt it
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(I've actually followed the Mamluk Domination succession game closely and you guys barely felt it
That's only because we rock!
Can you please get nerf it for non-Islamic civs that have Cairo (e.g. I don't think Mansa Musa can even get through Cairo with his baggage if the Christians controlled it)?
I disagree, Mansa Musa would have stilled passed through a Christian Egypt, to get to Mecca. Its not as if all traffic to Mecca through Egypt would stop, just because the rulers were of a different religion.
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I disagree, Mansa Musa would have stilled passed through a Christian Egypt, to get to Mecca. Its not as if all traffic to Mecca through Egypt would stop, just because the rulers were of a different religion.
I don't think so. He wouldn't have passed through enemy territory with tons of gold (unless he was suicidal and wanted to be robbed and killed by the infidels).
I really think your taking this to an extreme. Anyway how often do you see an Egypt that is controlled by a Christian power, and has absolutely no Muslims in it? Just Catholics, since Orthodox Christians wouldn't stop a pilgrim, from continuing his/her journey.
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How do you know that the Orthodox Christians won't stop an Islamic pilgrim?
Alt-history here: if the Byzantines weren't so weakened after their wars against the Persians, the Arabs wouldn't have been able to conquer Egypt and the Levant.
Alt-history here: if the Byzantines weren't so weakened after their wars against the Persians, the Arabs wouldn't have been able to conquer Egypt and the Levant.
embryodead
Caliph
No, it's also the correct answer you get when you offer yourself as a vassal to the AI, and you're too powerful for them. The power criterion isn't necessarily the same as when you want to be released, it's probably lower. You don't normally see it since human vassals are disabled in BTS.
That's what IDW is about really, and it's only a portion of culture. Remember that culture is rather silly concept, especially in a mod like this one, where the actual culture of the natives is not represented. It's more like the populace accepting the new ruler because he is capable. Exactly such things happened many times e.g. in Syria, Egypt or Persia, where people were ruled by different foreigners all the time.
Also, spies can do the same, in BTS and elsewhere.
No reason to use Arabic name when there's a well known English one. If I renamed the Prophet's Mosque to Al-Masjid al-Nabawi, I should follow with Bait al-Hikma instead of House of Wisdom and Malwiya Minaret instead of Spiral Minaret and so on.
I might think about this one but in a rather distant future.
No and it won't change since rebels are four different, hidden minor civs that you can't invest EP in. It's not like they're a challenge anyway.
That's correct. Assassins are just Spies with free promotions, e.g. the one that increases the success rate of Assassinations (which are normally much lower than success rates of other missions).
I didn't even think of this - but I think they should provide culture so it's fixed now.
Yes, done.
comrade francis
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IMHO for ai , non islamic civs, the penalty should be nerfed, allways happens that ai conquers a far away city, and would be odd that gets that penalty, only for that.
A question: ¿the event just triggers if you control cairo?, because you should get the event if you controll alexandria, domyat, etc.
@ Edead, grat changes, i will play again! , but just a question , ¿what is the idea of absolutism?, i thought it was for big civs, but empire is better.
A question: ¿the event just triggers if you control cairo?, because you should get the event if you controll alexandria, domyat, etc.
@ Edead, grat changes, i will play again! , but just a question , ¿what is the idea of absolutism?, i thought it was for big civs, but empire is better.
I've convinced the Fatimids to be catholic a couple of times when playing as Jerusalem. Speaking of which, has anyone won UHV with Jerusalem when the Fatimids have collapsed? The difference in difficulty with and without them alive feels huge.
