The United States has a moral obligation to mitigate international conflict.

Does the United States Have a moral obligation to mitigate international conflict?

  • Yes, always

    Votes: 8 13.8%
  • Yes, but only when asked

    Votes: 12 20.7%
  • Mabey, only in certain situations

    Votes: 26 44.8%
  • Never

    Votes: 12 20.7%

  • Total voters
    58
How can the UN solve international conflicts when its members are causing the international conflict that it is trying to solve? There needs to be a union of free nations with the determination and the will to remove from this world by any means necessary the forces that cause international conflict. As the United Nations followed the demise of the League of Nations so must a new international organisation follow the demise of the United Nations. This, of course, should be led by the United States but it should not rest solely on their shoulders. All the world should bear the burden of peace.
 
Originally posted by andrewgprv


What if they don't want "protecting"

If it is made clear that they do not want "protecting", then the choice is obvious. You cannot tell me the Iraqi people did not want protection. The problem is that they wanted protection ten years ago, not so much later, now. Now we have a significant segment of the population, several thousand, that are driving the current opposition. The remainder several thousand opposition forces are foreign fighters. Even so, the overwhelming majority of Iraqi citizens seem to want American intervention.

Now, of course, as I've said, I do not believe Bush is there for the protection of the Iraqi people.

Futhermore, I am not speaking of intervention in a military sense, alone. I am also speaking of our current support/alliance with several dictatorships across the world. We should not be allying ourselves with these kinds of individuals.

Yet another example is our failure to work with the international community to settle these issues, across the globe.

Even further, I would say another example is our failure to address such human rights issues in places like Africa.

We just cannot afford to allow such things take place on this Earth. I believe it is in all our national interests to prevent it.
 
Yes I know that. But my opponets have no idea what it is and therefore will have no response. even if they do know about this obscure peice of history the point still remains that we have morraly condemned war.
 
You all forget that the United Nations started out as a wartime alliance of "free" nations fighting against the Axis' powers. And as for morality, it only depends on ones point of view. For a good old socialist, Castro is a great guy, and Batastia was an S.O.B., on the other hand, for your democratic capitalist, just the opposite is true.

The very people who cheered the USA for entering WWII to help the Russian Communists were the very same people who started the anti-war movement during the Vietnam war. Propaganda has blurred the historical fact that all nations do what they think is in their best interests. Sometimes they blow it, but that does not change the fact that they thought they were right.

Some of you are showing your age remembering the Kellogg-Briand pact!! I thought the schools forgot about that in the 60s when they stopped teaching the 3 Rs and switched to teaching kids to feel good about themselves...!
 
The US has no obligation to mitigate or otherwise get involved in international or intranational conflict, nor does any other state.

Every war comes about as a result of certain circumstances; nothing happens without reasons. Even wars of seeming naked aggression have to have some underlying causes or reasons, factors that an outside third party cannot fully understand. If there is an intervention to stop the war, both parties may feel that they have had thier legitimate national interests curtailed by an outside force that had no equal stake. This creates two problems: first, artificially ending a conflict can leave many loose ends and unresolved issues. Those issues, under the right circumstances, can be used to support a renewed conflict. If a war were allowed to end on its own terms, it would be harder to draw upon those unresolved issues as issues to resume fighting, as war has already proven to be ineffective in meeting those specific goals.

The second problem is a major one: interference in conflicts that a state has no stake in can lead to resentment of that third party. Instead of peacemaker, the 3rd party can be seen as a belligerent by aggrieved combatants. This opens the peacemaker up to attack, and, depending on the circumstances, can widen the scope of the war.

These two major issues go hand in hand with other issues: Why should US tax payers have to pay to stop wars that don't concern them in the least? Why should American soldiers have to die to stop a conflict that doesn't threaten their country?

In the end, it is no country's responsibility to stop, or even try to stop, any particular world conflict. I would say the only reason to attempt to do so is if that conflict was vital to the third party state's interests. Otherwise, stay out of foreign wars unless both belligerent parties ask for your state to play the role of peacemaker.
 
Affirmative Case

Resolved: the United States has a moral obligation to mitigate international conflict.

Term Definitions:

Moral: 1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character.
2.Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior
3.Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.

Obligation: 1. The act of binding oneself by a social, legal, or moral tie.
A. A social, legal, or moral requirement, such as a duty, contracts, or promise that compels one to follow or avoid a particular course of action.
B. A course of action imposed by society, law, or conscience by which one is bound or restricted.

Mitigate: To moderate (a quality or condition) in force or intensity; alleviate.

International: Of, relating to, or involving two or more nations

Conflict: An active disagreement between two parties.

Values:

In affirming this resolution I will uphold a global continuum, consisting of three global indicators. First, Global Comunitarianism, defined by the Oxford Companion to Ethics, as “a model of global organization that stresses ties of affection, kinship, and a sense of common purpose, as opposed to the meager ties between individual nations.” Second, Security as defined by Simon and Bowie in The Individual and Political Order, as “defense of rights and protection of rights.” Third, Environmental Ethic, as explained by the Encyclopedia of Philosophy, as “the attempt to expand moral framework to nature to counter human chauvinism.” These values are essential to individual nations as well as the global community, and lie in affirmation of the resolution.

Contentions:

1. The Lessons of Rwanda and Yugoslavia
Despite sharp disagreements among people in the United States, Europe and elsewhere over what went wrong in the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda, everyone agrees that when tragedies engulfed these lands the international community was sadly unprepared to halt "ethnic cleansing" and mass killings. Because these conclusions seem so familiar and unexceptional, we overlook their profound significance for the future of world peace, and for our own moral integrity.

It is too late to erase the disasters suffered by people in Yugoslavia and Rwanda; it is not too late to prevent future Rwandas and Yugoslavias. Communal conflict is smoldering from Sri Lanka to Chechnya, from Georgia to Mexico, from Sudan to the Philippines, from India to Burundi, and from Iraq and Turkey to Kosovo, Macedonia and Moldova. Unless we act now to discourage conditions that will give rise to violent bigotry and genocidal slaughters, we cannot claim to be morally responsible.

2. Global concerns subsume national concerns.
Any concern seen as a U.S. interest is going to affect the rest of the world. As the world’s only superpower, the U.S. will either affect or be affected by global questions, and thus, national concerns for the U.S. become global concerns.

3. The United States is a unique moral agent.
We are the world’s only superpower. It’s a univocal world out there. The United States must act or mitigation efforts will fail. Prof. Leonard Kurtz wrote in the Fall issue of Asian Review:
“There is reason the United States is called into these situations. American security is affected, that’s true. But just as importantly only the United States can reasonably hope to succeed. Will any other nation be able to mitigate India-Pakistan hatred? Can any other nation be able to mitigate India-Pakistan hatred? Can any other state convince the paranoid xenophobes of North Korea to back down? Can world environmental and medical issues be solved with out our participation? The United States is unique; only America in today’s world has both the military, economic, and diplomatic clout to create effective positive change on many of the most contentious international issues.”

4. The United States promotes morality and happiness by reducing conflict.
How do we do that? By more actively fighting pollution and promoting international economic growth. As the worlds largest economy we control 32% of world output and even more of its pollution. If we act we can mitigate international conflict by setting the example and by lobbying with others to improve their economy while reducing pollution.

Thomas L. McNaughter, 1994 (Senior fellow in the Brookings Institute, The United States, Japan, and Asia: Challenges for U.S. Policy, p.187)

These trends would seem to bode well for countries interested in stability and economic growth. Globalizing economic forces have already begun to constrain state power and encourage international cooperation.

Zalmay Khalizad, Spring 1995 (Headed RAND’s Project Air Force, Assistant for policy planning, The Washington Quarterly)

Under the third option, the United States would seek to retain global leadership and to preclude the rise of a global rival or a return to multiplicity for the indefinite future. On balance, this is the best long-term guiding principle and vision. Such a vision is desirable, not as an end itself, but because a world in which the United States exercises leadership would have tremendous advantages. First, the global environment would be more receptive to American values - democracy, free markets, and the rule of law. Second, such a world would have a better chance of dealing cooperatively with the world’s major problems, such as nuclear proliferation, threats of regional hegemony by renegade states, and low-level conflicts. Finally U.S. leadership would help preclude the rise of another hostile global rival, enabling the United states and the world to avoid another global cold or hot war and all the attendant dangers, including a global nuclear exchange. U.S. leadership would therefore be more conductive to global stability than a bipolar or multipolar balance of power system.

Let’s promote the continuum of values. Let’s do the moral thing. Let’s do our best to mitigate international conflicts.
 
International uninvited intervention is not a moral obligation. Indeed, if we're trying to be moral, there should be no intervention, as the intervention itself would be immoral.

As many here have said, it is the responsibility, the purpose of the UN, and not the US. Regardless on what you think about the UN, perhaps it needs to be drastically reformed, but this (or as perfection suggested, a replacement organisation) is where the responsibitlity lies.

Originally posted by Matrix
Indeed it's the UN's job. But as long as the UN doesn't work (like with Iraq) the US may take that responsibility if you ask me. :) Any other country too, but since the US usually smells a profit for themselves too...
Well the UN worked perfectly on Iraq if you asked me.

Originally posted by covok48
Right, go in before Pearl Harbor and stir up the same amount of controversy that Iraq has done presently. Guess hindsight is 20/20, eh?
It'd do no such thing.
Entirely different circumstances.

Originally posted by EdwardTking
All truly civilized nations have a small moral obligation to help prevent and resolve international conflicts.

There is no moral difference for the USA.
But this obligation has been united and collectively addressed in the UN. if every single nation pursued their individual obligation then there'd be chaos.
 
Originally posted by sims2789
it is the UN's job, not the job of an Imperialistic superpower.

AHEM... :rolleyes:

the UN dosent do anything right. sometimes you have to take the initiative. and well, only the US is really willing to do that unilaterally. the world is too concerned with itself and their own advancement, while the US 'invades' countries and does someting about the problems. sometimes they get worse, but more often they get better and may even cease.
 
Originally posted by bobgote
International uninvited intervention is not a moral obligation. Indeed, if we're trying to be moral, there should be no intervention, as the intervention itself would be immoral.


In a mugging it is the mugger who is in control. Any intervention to prevent the mugging is uninvited by him. Still, most people feel that if they have the power to stop the mugging it is morally right to intervene for the sake of the mugee.
 
Originally posted by Sarevok


AHEM... :rolleyes:

the UN dosent do anything right....
The eradication of small pox wasn't done right? The International Agreement for Prevention of Collision at Sea (aka Rules of the Road) isn't done right? These come under the UN, along with the International Postal Union, the Committee of International Standards (want to know just how long a metre is? This committee decides that sort of thing), the World Health Organization, and numerous other international bodies. Most of these organizations work quite well.

The UN is not a world government. It doesn't have an army, it has a very small bureaucracy, and it can't enforce any of the General Assembly's or Security Council's decisions. The UN is more of a moral force, like the Pope.

"How many divisions does the Pope have?" -Joseph Stalin
 
Originally posted by Sarevok


AHEM... :rolleyes:

the UN dosent do anything right. sometimes you have to take the initiative. and well, only the US is really willing to do that unilaterally. the world is too concerned with itself and their own advancement, while the US 'invades' countries and does someting about the problems. sometimes they get worse, but more often they get better and may even cease.
no need for the rolleyes here.
the UN may not do anything right in your opinion, but does things right in other's opinions. Just because everyone doesn't agree with you isn't cause to bring out the rolleyes.

Originally posted by EzInKy


In a mugging it is the mugger who is in control. Any intervention to prevent the mugging is uninvited by him. Still, most people feel that if they have the power to stop the mugging it is morally right to intervene for the sake of the mugee.
but who defines what a mugger is? can this honestly be left to one country to decide and take action on? this is the whole judge/jury/executioner deal that we are trying to avoid.
 
All countries have a moral obligation, because all people have a moral obligation to help other people.
 
All honorable countries should try to mitigate international conflicts, but nobody has the right to break the international laws. There are strict rules about when it is justifiable to go to war. A good nation does not have the right to start an unjust war, even if the intentions seem nice.
 
I remember getting into an argument with a fiery Greek girl just on this subject back when I was an exchange student. This was the first real test of my spoken German. The argument wound down to basically this:

When injustice occurs in the world and there are cries for help:

a) Who does everyone currently look to first to do something about it?

b) When the time for action actually comes, who does everyone expect the necessary resources to come from?


That pretty much sums it up. Whether morally correct or not, we have somehow asceded to the position in the world. We've tried taking on this responsibility. In some cases we've done well, in other not so well. In some cases, we used this position to justify actions more in our own interests than anyone elses's. In all cases, we are open to criticism both internally and externally. Talking about the 'morality' of this position is merely a sub-case for such criticism.
 
The US Government has a moral obligation to it's own citizens, and no one else.
 
Originally posted by bobgote


but who defines what a mugger is? can this honestly be left to one country to decide and take action on? this is the whole judge/jury/executioner deal that we are trying to avoid.

Apply your question to the post in which you stated that an uninvited intervention is immoral. Who is it that you propose should do the inviting? It seems obvious that the leaders of a nation that is oppressing its people would not ask for intervention, and it is likely that their power will be so absolute that the people they oppress would not have the freedom to do the asking either. Additionally it seems only logical that before an injustice can be righted it must first be judged as being a wrong, and once it is judged as being a wrong someone must be willing to execute an action to right that wrong.
 
Originally posted by EzInKy
Apply your question to the post in which you stated that an uninvited intervention is immoral. Who is it that you propose should do the inviting? It seems obvious that the leaders of a nation that is oppressing its people would not ask for intervention, and it is likely that their power will be so absolute that the people they oppress would not have the freedom to do the asking either. Additionally it seems only logical that before an injustice can be righted it must first be judged as being a wrong, and once it is judged as being a wrong someone must be willing to execute an action to right that wrong.
When i said invited, it is more the countries that are having civil war difficulties, a number of factions vying for power, no clear leader. An example of this would be Liberia from earlier in the year.

When it comes to a nation being oppressed by a dictator for example, specific examples need to be brought forth to the UN so that the whole world, if that is not too idealistic or naive, can decide what to do. Like it or not, the UN is the only such organisation we have that can provide this unity of purpose. If no action is taken by the UN, maybe that is the best option at the time.

My point on judge/jury/executioner is not that these processes shouldn't occur, but that the opinion of one nation is not objective enough to provide all of this by itself.
 
Originally posted by thestonesfan
The US Government has a moral obligation to it's own citizens.

This is true however the U.S. also should protect its businesses because they help its citizens. If either Americans or American intrests are threatened then we should try to "solve" the "problem".
 
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