- Jun 25, 2001
No argument with that. But the Vietnamese, as a people with a sense of national identity, didn't really get going until the 10-11th centuries AD, during one of their native dynasties (as I had mentioned). During the Han, Vietnam (N Vietnam, the south was the Hindu Malay kingdom of Champa) was actually a Chinese province and remained so till the 5-6th century AD IIRC. And more importantly, the people felt themselves to be Chinese and as Chinese as e.g. Guangxi or Guangdong at that time.Posted by me
>>The Turks were an older power than the Vietnamese, Spanish, Thai definitely. There were already Turks contolling the Islamic Caliphate in Baghdad (behind the scenes as slave soldiers) before the Mongols came and also the Khorezm Sultanate in Central Asia later (when the Mongols invaded).
The Thai only formed present Thailand after they were driven out of Nanzhao in Yunnan by the Mongols in the 12-13th century AD. The Vietnamese only formed as a nation during one of their dynasties in the 10-11th century AD (forgot name). The Spanish were slightly later, when they began driving the Moors out of Iberia. The Turks already formed their first empire on the steppes of Mongolia in the 6-7th century AD, around the time of the Tang in China.>>
Posted by milty
The Vietnamese date back to pre-warring states era, in the 7th century BC, atleast in context with Chinese history. I'm sure they have been there since a long time ago, without written history. Back then, all of southern China was known as the Yue, or Viet, and the people were known as the Bai-Yue or hundred Yue. They were conquered and brought into the Han dynasty by Ma Yuen, and had a history of resisting Chinese rule ever since.
The Turks are hardly ancient. But in the 7th century BC, Vietnam, as a nation with their own national and cultural consciousness, didn't exist yet or not recognizably Vietnamese. But feel free to argue otherwise.They are atleast as old as the ancient Turks, whom as I re-emphasize have very little in common with the modern Turks. The Viet people, or as they use to call themselves the Lac, were of roughly the same race and culture since the 7th century BC.