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The War on Terror, The Natwest/Enron 3 & You?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by PrinceOfLeigh, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. PrinceOfLeigh

    PrinceOfLeigh Wigan, England

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    The case of the Natwest, or Enron, Three is:
    American prosecutors have alleged:
    Now, the crime, if there was one, was committed on British soil against a British company. However, US attorneys have successfully argued that the UK’s
    Extradition Act 2003
    applies not just to suspected terrorists, but also to ‘white-collar’ criminals such as the Natwest Three*.

    The Extradition Act was set up following 9/11 in a bid for closer co-operation between the US & UK in combating terrorism. There have been Extradition Acts before but:
    Liberty considers the Act to be
    However, even if we as UK citizens accept that co-operation such as this is required to combat terrorism US citizens cannot yet be extradited to Britain in a similar way.
    Nor can British Citizens who have committed crimes or acts of terror on British Soil. A number of requests for the extradition of British Citizens wanted on terrorism or murder charges have been denied.
    Similar requests have been constantly refused by the US.

    This is not intended to be a anti-US rant. America has been used as the example in this post as an example of a lack of co-operation between two close allies. If our closest ally will not extradite wanted criminals/terrorists, what is the point of the Extradition Act remaining on the Books? What implications does this have on the future of the “special relationship” as it becomes ever more apparent that the UK is a very minor partner?

    *Despite Natwest considering that no crime had been committed and the fact that the alleged criminals had paid tax upon their “ill gotten gains”.
     
  2. Pontiuth Pilate

    Pontiuth Pilate Republican Jesus!

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    You said it yourself; the USA is using Britain.

    Why did Parliament ever sign off on that law?
     
  3. PrinceOfLeigh

    PrinceOfLeigh Wigan, England

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    Perhaps true but that's not the point I was trying to make. What annoyed me is that the UK government is obviously willing to sacrifice due process for it's citizens for the sake of political expediency.
     
  4. TrailblazingScot

    TrailblazingScot I was kittenOFchaos

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    It just goes to show that you can't trust this Government with extra-powers designed to combat International Terrorism.

    Guy Fawkes II wouldn't be such a bad thing atm.
     
  5. EdwardTking

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    Quite.

    At least Sir Winston Churchill was debasing himself by trying to ingratiate
    himself with Rooseveldt for an honourable cause - opposing Hitlerism.

    Whereas the current stooge is merely grovelling in pursuit of his own
    illusion that by doing what the USA wants, they will support him in his
    narcassistic fantasy of being a great player on the world stage.

    Most of us Brits accept that that we are not a great power, and are
    well aware that TB is trying to wear Emperor George's new clothes.
     
  6. PrinceOfLeigh

    PrinceOfLeigh Wigan, England

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    True, but it's not just America that the Act relates to. Other countries are also on the list.

    I notice France refused extradition of a serial killer back to the US on the grounds that he would face capital punishment over there. Our Act has a similiar clause IIRC.
     
  7. PrinceOfLeigh

    PrinceOfLeigh Wigan, England

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    No need to worry Boys, the Natwest 3 will get a fair trial :dance:

    Also, despite what we may think having our citizens extradited to face trial for Fraud charges not supported by Prima Facie evidence under legislation designed to fight terrorism is:
    At the very least the Extradition Act should not apply to countries which have not enacted qui pro quo agreements.
     
  8. CruddyLeper

    CruddyLeper Unworshipped Deity

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    I would be amazed if they got convicted.

    Makes as much sense as France trying Oliver North for trading with the Iranians.
     
  9. Nad

    Nad Known Troublemaker

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    "The British Empire extends from the head of Scotland to the tip of Australia,
    it covers one third of the world and it is considered so large that upon it the Sun never sets
    Germany consists of a Sausage Shop in Frankfurt.
    We can hardly accuse them of being Imperialistic" - Blackadder IV

    The actual quote is "George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe; while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganiyka. I hardly think that we can entirely be absolved of blame on the imperialistic front."
     
  10. EdwardTking

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    A lot of people lost their pensions in the Ennron disaster, and they
    know that they can not get many of the powerful politicians who
    took cash, and are looking for scapegoats wherever they can.

    So I doubt that these three British business men will get a fair trial.
    I think that a patriotic US jury will be only too happy to be
    directed by a patriotic judge to convict dastardly foreigners.

    The UK should only have permitted them to be extradited
    and tried in a more neutral democratic country such as Canada.
     
  11. Rossiya

    Rossiya Fridge Magnet Porn

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    before Great Britain uses the euro, it will use the dollar.
     
  12. Pontiuth Pilate

    Pontiuth Pilate Republican Jesus!

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    It shouldn't use either. Britain should assert its independence from the influences of both the bureaucratic EU and the idiots now running America.
     

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