The War Room

[joespaniel]

This is where we discuss military strategy. All citizens are welcome to post here.
We are a democracy game, your opinions are important.

Rule #1: There will be no fighting in the war room.

Well, here we are. Our first war. The greedy Mongols have attempted to extort us, and our noble leader replied with a resounding "Never!".

Military Proposal:

The navy is our first line of defense.

I feel we need to build one or two more triremes immeadiately, along with some diplomats.

Lets try to bribe their cities into joining us, and if that isnt feasable, investigate them.

 

[Ohwell]

Our cities defenses are as thin as a Cracker-Jack box sir!

I salute you General Spaniel.

I concur, we need several more triremes, to act also as patrolships. I feel we will need a large standing defensive navy for the remainder of the game.

 

[joespaniel]

AoA wants a poll, so I am starting one.

Military Poll #1: War with the Mongols, please go cast your vote.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15074

 

[spycatcher34]

I say leave them alone till we get our infastructure and defenses set up.

 

[joespaniel]

I agree with spycather, as far as infrastructure. AoA has expressed the urgent need for temples and marketplaces.

As far as defenses, the navy is the best defense. Dont let them land on our shores!

A mobile counter-attack force, on our continent, that can move to trouble spots is another possible idea. It is more practical than defending every city with multiple units.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

I generaly concur on the notice that we need to expand our navy.A sufficiant naval force will be able to protect our shore's from any barbarian landing's or invading enemy's.In addition at this stage we must provide some vessel's to our exploration advisor ,as our current knowledge of the world at this moment is yet to limmited.Besides our home continent and what's eastwards form that ,we dont know anything of our surrounding's.
How many ship's do we need? Hard question ,as we must construct them over time ,and there are other things that need to be build to ,like marketplace's ,library's ,millitary unit's etc.
I say For the next 20 turn's let's build 2 vessel's at the east of our empire ,then after the 20 turn's build another 3 or so ,or reconsider that amount.Well ,it's just a recomendation from me.
Preferably in city's that have completed marketplace's already ,and have a good productional rate.

As for the millitary unit's themself's ,i propose to build a fair ammount of warrior's: perfect for when you aim at leo's workshop ,and essentialy give you an equal diplomatic stance bonus as if you had a mass of strong unit's ,and they are so cheap to build at this stage of the game.and some offensive unit's ,like chariot's and elephant's ,so that we have atleast a little "expiditionary task force".

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

2 triremes, 6 elephants and Genghis Khan shall be shining our shoes for eternity (You too genghis)

POLYTHEISM DAMMIT! CHARGE! I move for an immediate extermination of this obvious threat.

 

[ACM]

Yeah HIPPO !!
I was preparing my opinion on this matter, but Hippo said it all: we have Elephants, let's trample our enemies !!

 

[joespaniel]

Originally posted by Cunobelin Of Hippo
2 triremes, 6 elephants and Genghis Khan shall be shining our shoes for eternity

True. And thats what I would like to do, but I just voted to build marketplaces in four cities.

Perhaps as soon as these improvements are finished, we can poll for elephants to be produced.

The voting in Military Poll #1 is currently 5 to 4 calling for attack. Unless it swings the other way, we must prepare to execute the will of the people, and execute some Mongols.

 

[Dell19]

How about a military emergency poll where we redo some city polls to more accurately reflect the current situation (people are more informed now and they want units). Anyone think something like this should be done or just wait for them to finish their current build orders? Primarily it should be the war leader or the president who could call for city polls to be re done.

 

[Pellaken]

I, as deputy, now weigh in... 180lbs! yeesh!

anyways, I to think we should build our economey before the war.

I'd also suggest we all keep a close eye on our Sci. devlopment. while we are building our marketplaces, we may devlop newer, better, ways of killing people. so we should alaws bo on the look out for that sotra thing.

eathier way, I plan to be out in the field with the armies... :tank: wish me luck! unless you dont like me... in which case, wish the mongols luck!


also, I'd like to see continued economey building before we get too tied up with making an army. we we over-spend on our army we will bankrupt ourselvs. but then again, thats always been my stance. "a big army... after a bit"

 

[duke o' york]

I reckon that the Mongols have 4 cities, 5 max. Their capital is Karakorum, the next city Samarkand and then Tabriz and Bokhara. This means that they don't have nearly as many cities as we do, but it will be necessary to nip their expansion in the bud before they disappear northwards. The Mongols will not usually send out settlers in boats if they are hemmed in by other civs, preferring instead to capture other cities before settling more. We don't yet know the size of their island though so a little more exploration will be valuable for the inevitable war.
I also don't like the idea of triremes just roaming around. For exploration they should always have a unit aboard so that we can make contact with other civs we discover and pop huts we find. Or is the plan just to explore with the single trireme we have at the moment and then keep the others closer to home? Our expansion plans are effectively stymied at the moment, and we need to seize more land very soon, whether by conquest or discovery.

 

[jomey]

I think it will be worthwhile continuing to seek out other civs. We could always try the old...
"Be a good civ and attack the mongol hoards for us"
popping huts could also give us much needed military units.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Our expansion plans are effectively stymied at the moment, and we need to seize more land very soon, whether by conquest or discovery.

Fully agree ,we must not forget that we have still a lot of exploring to do ,and that given the situation we have to put a lot of productional recource's in exploration (ship's and unit's).
And all this while we have to maintain happiness on our continent and fight a war with the Mongol's.
Between all those thing's ,you would often forget some pressing matter's.

Primarily it should be the war leader or the president who could call for city polls to be re done.

Givven the fact that this happen's once and awhile ,we need to make a clear rule on that if we wan't to make it possible that somebody can reissue the vote.Putting that power into one individual doesn't please me.Rather ,the community ,or some representative's should have the power to toghether decide if a poll would be redone.

proposition:
the current cabinet leader's/deputy's/gouverner's mutualy decide on this ,this mean's ,if a vote is asked to be redone
,the cabinet vote's on it.If a certain percentage of the cabinet think's it should be re-done ,then it will be re-done. (in this case i advice atleast 75% has to vote yes)
A bit of topic here though.Still ,give it youre thought's.

 

[Dell19]

Originally posted by TheDuckOfFlanders
proposition:
the current cabinet leader's/deputy's/gouverner's mutualy decide on this ,this mean's ,if a vote is asked to be redone
,the cabinet vote's on it.If a certain percentage of the cabinet think's it should be re-done ,then it will be re-done. (in this case i advice atleast 75% has to vote yes)
A bit of topic here though.Still ,give it youre thought's.

Fine by me. I think you have done it similar to how I would have done it since I wanted it to be a poll made by the military or president. I think other leaders should have the power to make a military enmergency poll but not citizens since they would not have the power although they could recommentd it in a thread.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

I have already given a proposal in the Military poll thread, but I would like to add some things.

That island between us and the mongols could use a city, it would be a good staging area for an attack, as well as a naval advanced base, as Duck pond has other considerations.

Island cities with whales produce a lot of trade arrows, that means science and cash, but lesser production.

We need to consider the naval tech tract, as it includes Copernicus' observatory, and Magellan's, two valuable wonders.

Caravels are much better transports then triemes.

 

[joespaniel]

I have already stated my desire for a powerfull navy. Im with you all the way on that one, Mr. President.

I have also hinted that a city planner should post a poll for diplomats to be produced, to bribe the Mongol cities to our side. It would give us the best bang for the buck.

Expansion, expansion, expansion! Lets take those Mongol cities!

I am willing to bet ol' Genghis will pay US tribute to make peace after that.

 

[joespaniel]

All drum beating aside, this is not a serious conflict. No fleet is approaching our coast filled with Mongol raiders.

The President has called a "national emergency", which will most likely postpone a military response indeffinately.

Thus I fade into the background, for now.

A real war will happen someday...