There is no future- and England is dreaming. Of Internet laws.

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Police are to get powers to force internet firms to hand over details that could help identify suspected terrorists and paedophiles.

The Anti-Terrorism and Security Bill will oblige internet service providers (ISPs) to retain information linking Internet Protocol (IP) addresses to individual users.

Home Secretary Theresa May said the measure would boost national security - but again complained that Liberal Democrats were blocking further steps.

"Loss of the capabilities on which we have always relied is the great danger we face," Mrs May said. "The Bill provides the opportunity to resolve the very real problems that exist around IP resolution and is a step in the right direction towards bridging the overall communications data capability gap.

"But I believe we need to make further changes to the law.

"It is a matter of national security and we must keep on making the case for the Communications Data Bill until we get the changes we need."

However, the Lib Dems insisted that legislation - branded the "Snooper's Charter" - was "dead and buried".

The party also stressed that Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg had been calling for the IP measures since spring 2013.

"It is good news that the Home Office has finally got round to producing proposals on this after being repeatedly asked by Nick Clegg. These can now be agreed and acted on in the upcoming Bill," a Lib Dem spokesman said.

"This is exactly the kind of thing that we need to take action on, rather than proposing an unnecessary, unworkable and disproportionate Snooper's Charter. There is absolutely no chance of that illiberal Bill coming back under the Coalition Government - it's dead and buried.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-internet-data-powers-002357375.html#NzzIg9a

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So, when will the cops have lists of ISP info tied to individuals so they can approach them as they leave their apartment building? :)

Such laws are hugely likely - if not downright certain - to cause loads of issues and solve very little actual crime. They also tend to be passed with other motives in mind, eg indirectly ushering in a climate of fear of what one types on the web, even if they are not at all criminals.
 
Which will affect exactly zero paedophiles or terrorists, because they just use VPNs or Tor. Instead, it will just mean that there is more data for hackers to steal from ISPs, and more data for the government to surveil regular, law-abiding citizens on.
 
These laws are based on the recent laws passed in Australia. That is not a good thing. To call our current regime fascist would be an insult to fascism, which at least believes it is trying to benefit the nation.
 
Which will affect exactly zero paedophiles or terrorists, because they just use VPNs or Tor. Instead, it will just mean that there is more data for hackers to steal from ISPs, and more data for the government to surveil regular, law-abiding citizens on.

bah, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, etc., etc.... ;)
 
This is just going to see a mass emigration of terrorists and pedophiles from the UK. It is becoming more and more clear that the UK economy is built on a backbone of pedophiles, so this is going to have a huge negative impact on the country. I wouldn't do it.
 
So the Lib Dems are trying to go out with a bang before they become completely irrelevant?
 
Looking at the picture: was Theresa May a female as a child? Just wondering.
 
This is just going to see a mass emigration of terrorists and pedophiles from the UK. It is becoming more and more clear that the UK economy is built on a backbone of pedophiles, so this is going to have a huge negative impact on the country. I wouldn't do it.
It'll kill the British entertainment industry, that's for sure. And most of the House of Lords will be forced to emigrate.
 
They tried something like this in Canada some years ago. The cabinet minister in charge of this, Vic Toews, made a speech in which he said that anyone who didn't want to go along with the proposed legislation was on the side of the child pornographers.

A lot of people were rightly infuriated. Wanting privacy does not mean a person is a criminal. Then somebody got the bright idea that if Vic Toews wanted to know what we were up to, then by golly, we'd comply. So they set up an online project called "Tell Vic Everything." The idea was that every time you did something, no matter how trivial, you were to promptly email Vic Toews and tell him about it.

He ended up withdrawing the proposed legislation.

Unfortunately, the current government is trying to sneak it back in.
 
They tried something like this in Canada some years ago. The cabinet minister in charge of this, Vic Toews, made a speech in which he said that anyone who didn't want to go along with the proposed legislation was on the side of the child pornographers.

A lot of people were rightly infuriated. Wanting privacy does not mean a person is a criminal. Then somebody got the bright idea that if Vic Toews wanted to know what we were up to, then by golly, we'd comply. So they set up an online project called "Tell Vic Everything." The idea was that every time you did something, no matter how trivial, you were to promptly email Vic Toews and tell him about it.

He ended up withdrawing the proposed legislation.

Unfortunately, the current government is trying to sneak it back in.
If it worked once, why not try it again?
 
Vic Toews retired, for one thing. Just because it worked with a cranky old man doesn't mean it'll work with another person.

For another thing, Harper now hides these contentious and draconian bills in "omnibus legislation" which is supposed to be about one thing but can have whole other bills hidden within them. The Opposition parties rarely have time to even read these gigantic bills before they come up for debate, so they often don't even know what's in them, let alone have time to read them thoroughly, think about them, and plan a way to defeat them.

There's a lot of "we found this in the omnibus bill, please write to your MP and party leaders to protest" messages coming from the opposition parties. Most of that does no good whatsoever. My MP won't even acknowledge an email now, after I once told his secretary that I wanted a reply from him, not her. Not that it would make a difference anyway, since he's a useless backbencher who didn't even show up to the all-candidates' forum last election. The potted plant that sat in his place was rather nice-looking, though.
 
Vic Toews retired, for one thing. Just because it worked with a cranky old man doesn't mean it'll work with another person.

For another thing, Harper now hides these contentious and draconian bills in "omnibus legislation" which is supposed to be about one thing but can have whole other bills hidden within them. The Opposition parties rarely have time to even read these gigantic bills before they come up for debate, so they often don't even know what's in them, let alone have time to read them thoroughly, think about them, and plan a way to defeat them.

There's a lot of "we found this in the omnibus bill, please write to your MP and party leaders to protest" messages coming from the opposition parties. Most of that does no good whatsoever. My MP won't even acknowledge an email now, after I once told his secretary that I wanted a reply from him, not her. Not that it would make a difference anyway, since he's a useless backbencher who didn't even show up to the all-candidates' forum last election. The potted plant that sat in his place was rather nice-looking, though.
The solution is obvious: elect the potted plant.
 
The solution is obvious: elect the potted plant.
:lol:

There would have to be a new job created in the House of Commons to care for all the other potted plants. There were several dozen Conservative candidates who were told not to show up for the forums (because Harper didn't want them to answer any awkward questions). The potted plants people set up in their places were about as intelligent as the absent candidates would have been, and much nicer to look at.
 
:lol:

There would have to be a new job created in the House of Commons to care for all the other potted plants. There were several dozen Conservative candidates who were told not to show up for the forums (because Harper didn't want them to answer any awkward questions). The potted plants people set up in their places were about as intelligent as the absent candidates would have been, and much nicer to look at.

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I have found a new PM for Canada, superior to Harper in every way.

EDIT: Um, picture not showing up despite numerous attempts. My tablet hates images, so it may be visible to everyone but me. If not, just imagine Marge Simpson as a plant.
 
I'm imagining a bonsai rhododendron as the new PM of Canada. *happyplace*
 
Try this address instead:
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