seriously, It just isn't a whole lot of fun. It takes a lot longer to get through turns. I've got a beast of a computer, but even the loading times from the start of the game are ridiculously slow from the start. I loved in the other civs how I could zip right through the turns if I was just building. Now its like waiting for a child to be born. production takes a long time and i honestly don't feel rewarded for building wonders anymore. I guess the civ formula is just over done at this point. I'd had a blast with all of the other games in my past. I liked civ rev, was fun. I'll wait for some expansion packs and maybe the game improves in the next couple years.