This is bordering on treason

[Tank_Guy#3]

I was surfing the web, and came across a picture and comment about Brett Favre. Upon reading what the author had posted, I immediately (well after a few comments along the lines of beating this author half to death ) though of posting it here.

So what do you think?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7245984?MSNHPHMA

Spoiler :

8. It's not quite as bad as Barry Bonds surpassing Hank Aaron, but Brett Favre slipping past John Elway on the all-time career victories list strikes me as an injustice.

Brett Favre has had a nice career, but for now the list of great QBs in the last three decades starts with John Elway. ( / Getty Images)

It's not that I think Favre did anything unethical to get the record. I just don't think Favre is in the same class as Elway as a winner. Favre is going to retire with most of the prominent quarterback records. He's the new Dan Marino, a fantasy-league, first-ballot Hall of Famer.

But when I think of all-time great winners, Elway, Joe Montana and Tom Brady top that list.

If Packers fans were honest with themselves, they'd acknowledge that Reggie White was the most important Packer during Green Bay's two Favre-quarterbacked Super Bowl appearances.

For the record, the five best quarterbacks of the last 30 years: 1. Elway; 2. Montana; 3. Manning; 4. Brady; 5. Marino/Favre.

Until Brady and/or Manning appear in five Super Bowls, I won't even entertain the idea of Elway stepping down as No. 1. In reality, Elway is the Thurgood Marshall of all-time quarterbacks; he has a lifetime position and can only be removed at his own request.

Thought provoking.... more like rage provoking, especially making such comments about Brett Favre. He's lucky he isn't working in Wisconsin, there would be a lynch mob after him for saying that. I'm starting to understand why people are not very favorable towards Fox. I'm about ready to swear off Fox Sports.

Not to say those guys are bad players, but saying Brett is past his prime is completely BS, and he's not not retiring to break records, he's doing it because he's "got game" left in him. Also, as a person (helping charities, all around nice guy, etc) Brett Favre blows these guys out of the water entirely. Maybe not so much Elway, but definitely Tom Brady. You ever hear of Brett being accused of what Tom Brady was accused of? Hell no. OK, I feel much better now.

 

[Zarn]

Brett Favre should have retired after the 2004 season. The defense is keeping that team afloat.

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

Brett Favre should have retired after the 2004 season. The defense is keeping that team afloat.

He has a couple seasons left in him, easily. Defense helps, but they can't win a game. You may say "if they intercept it and run it back", but doesn't that person that intercepted it go on the offensive to try and score?

 

[mrt144]

Elway just doesnt do it for me. he won 2 superbowls, but lost 3. His QB rating isnt good. He was a baby about The Play.

Anyone that says Marino isnt the greatest because he didnt win the big one is full of crap. marino doesnt control what his defense does. 3 years tops they had a defense that was ranked in single digits. Elway had that his last 3 years and 8 years total.

Team sport. team sport. team sport.

 

[Zarn]

He has a couple seasons left in him, easily. Defense helps, but they can't win a game. You may say "if they intercept it and run it back", but doesn't that person that intercepted it go on the offensive to try and score?

If a defense holds a offense down enough, even someone past his prime can win. Point is Green Bay will falter to the good teams.

 

[mrt144]

i did a scatter plot of average point margins and record for the last 2 seasons. in both the higher the margin the better the record, in general. without going into a lot of analysis i'd say in general the margin is what matters teh most, rather than offense or defense alone.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Brett Favre is glorified by the press and is never looked at from a critical standpoint. Don't et me wrong, he was a hell of a quaterback, and during the 90's espeically was amazing. However, his last two years he has thrown only 38 TD's and 47 INT's. Past his prime, I think.

And Marino deserves to be up higher on that list. The NFL record book reads like his autobiography.

 

[El Justo]

i have a great admiration for favre, always have actually. he's a class act and may end up being the best qb of all time. i know imo he's perhaps the most entertaining qb of our era.

as for him retiring - nonsense. he's still got 'it' (arm strength/accuracy/moxy) and if one can't admit that then they're no real football fan.

 

[Zarn]

I've seen him play, he no longer has "it." His receivers are much more likely to be the ones carrying the day.

 

[tcjsavannah]

John Elway was Dan Marino with a running game. Give Dan Marino a back like Terrell Davis and an offensive line that would injure defensive linemen at a drop of a hat and I bet he wins three Super Bowls.

 

[El Justo]

I've seen him play, he no longer has "it." His receivers are much more likely to be the ones carrying the day.

carry the day? who the hell is getting him the ball? that's a joke statement, right?

i've been watching favre a long time. and sure he's lost a bit. but i would take what he's got over alot of the qb's in this league.

 

[dgfred]

carry the day? who the hell is getting him the ball? that's a joke statement, right?

i've been watching favre a long time. and sure he's lost a bit. but i would take what he's got over alot of the qb's in this league.

Would you swap him for McCrap straight up right now? Just curious.

 

[El Justo]

that's tough to say, really. probably not though. but i still think favre can play and play at a fairly high level.

 

[Elta]

Farve is a good QB Top 10 all time maybe even.

I think Dan Marino was the greatest non scramblin heavy QB of all time.

 

[Zarn]

carry the day? who the hell is getting him the ball? that's a joke statement, right?

i've been watching favre a long time. and sure he's lost a bit. but i would take what he's got over alot of the qb's in this league.

Like which QBs?

If your receivers get open, then they are doing there job. Favre just slings the thing. Also, when he plays it feels like he has no soul put into it.

Don't get me wrong, I like Favre as a person and as a QB through the years.

 

[Son_Of_Dido]

Theory:

For the record, the five best quarterbacks of the last 30 years: 1. Elway; 2. Montana; 3. Manning; 4. Brady; 5. Marino/Favre.

Until Brady and/or Manning appear in five Super Bowls, I won't even entertain the idea of Elway stepping down as No. 1.

Refutation of Theory: Super Bowl XXIV.



If winning is what matters, and Super Bowls is the criteria, how does Elway come in at #1 when "#2" beat him head to head, by FORTY FIVE POINTS no less, and picked up an MVP award to boot? Usually, when #2 beats #1, #2 becomes the new #1.

Then again, maybe next week, Mr. Whitlock will argue that USC was national champion in 05-06 in spite of losing the BCS championship game to Texas, who knows...

In other words, don't get too worked up over Mr. Whitlock's silly little subjective opinion piece. He's way off base, and none of those "top 10" points should be taken too seriously or bent out of shape over. He couldn't rate Montana properly, nor Elway, why would one think he rated Favre properly, either?

EDIT: Also, if winning and Super Bowls are what really counts, it was rather foolish of him, and further discrediting to his position, that he completely neglected to even mention Troy Aikman.

 

[classical_hero]

Like which QBs?

If your receivers get open, then they are doing there job. Favre just slings the thing. Also, when he plays it feels like he has no soul put into it.

Don't get me wrong, I like Favre as a person and as a QB through the years.

Isn't that the job of the QB to get the ball to people that are open rather than give it to someone who is in trouble? So according to this, if Favre is getting the ball to the receivers then he is doing his job and the receivers are doing theirs. I was going to use a Rugby analogy, but that would just confuse everyone else here, so I won't, even though the two games are similar since American Football came from Rugby.

 

[Zarn]

Isn't that the job of the QB to get the ball to people that are open rather than give it to someone who is in trouble? So according to this, if Favre is getting the ball to the receivers then he is doing his job and the receivers are doing theirs. I was going to use a Rugby analogy, but that would just confuse everyone else here, so I won't, even though the two games are similar since American Football came from Rugby.

Not entirely. QBs have to make a good throw, when their receivers aren't wide open. When they are wide open, it is cake.

 

[Zarn]

Okay, so maybe Favre isn't as out of it as I thought. I can admit that.

Fine with me though. I like Favre.