this is not OK ??? freedom of speech ?

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  1. Ramius75

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6909047.stm


    Now i know why the muslim were angry. Its ok when insulting some religion leader but its not when come to some european royalties ?? Double standard ? Hypocrisy once again ?? It dont hurt when the knife isnt cutting urself ?

    What about those crying foul when someone insulted the Thailand royalties ??
     
  2. Godwynn

    Godwynn March to the Sea

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    Did Spain ban the Danish cartoons?
     
  3. Atlas14

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    Spain wasn't the country that had press releases of the Muslim cartoon were they? If they did reprint some of them, then yeah, this is hypocritical.
     
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    cthom 3,011,451,295

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    spain has a law against defaming its royal family, it doesn't have a law against defaming mohammed. nevertheless, it is an over-reaction to what is only meant to be a joke.
     
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    That's why the real solution is not banning anything, because it may offend anyone, as once you start, there's no way of stopping.
     
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    Hypocrisy once again coming from the Spanish Socialist party.

    But i fail to see the link between this news and muslims being angry.

    D'oh I forgot to check the Spanish newspapers today...

    My opinion. I am for laws against defamation of anybody.
     
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    How is it defamatory to depict a man having sex with his wife?
     
  9. Urederra

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    post the drawing and see what the mods think about it. :D

    You also have to take into account what it is said in the drawing.
     
  10. The Yankee

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    Because a true royal is supposed to be with his girlfriend. :p

    Still, it's in rather poor taste to draw them being intimate and possibly with some other caption along with it. Whether that's banworthy isn't my call and I can't say anyway.
     
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    The thing is that all the on-line newspapers I read have posted the drawing (one of them have pixelated the most graphic parts). Let's see if the socialist party appointed high court bans these posts too.

    BTW, El jueves is a quite defamatory magazine, this is not the first time they have problems with what they publish. IMHO, it is even worse than MAD magazine, full of fool language, sexually explicit drawings and defamatory content. I haven't seen anything like that here in the USA. (And I don't want to see it, so if there is something, correct me, but I don't need any links)
     
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    Those things happen when you stil have medieval institutions in your country.
     
  14. Urederra

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    And when you don't have them too...
     
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    ok, i googled the cartoon. imo it's very mild, considering what spitting image did in the uk, for example.
     
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    Maybe if you were pictured in the cartoon you would think It was slander and ask the court to ban it.
     
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    Well I'll be damned! I always though royalty reproduced through cell mitosis.
     
  18. Masquerouge

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    Meh. So a cartoon was banned. I don't think that was the right decision, but I don't think freedom of speech in Spain is jeopardized either.
     
  19. mdwh

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    It's mainly an issue of defamation, and I don't have a problem with defamation laws - if speech harms someone, I don't think that should come under free speech. Although it should be noted that defamation requires there to be some kind of harm - parody and jokes often don't count.

    It's not comparable to Mohammed, because he's dead.

    However, what is an issue is the idea that they seem to have a defamation law _specifically_ for the royal family, which I strongly oppose. They should be treated just like any other person. If this case wouldn't have counted as defamation against anyone else, then it shouldn't count for the royal family.

    Also, I thought most defamation cases are civil issues (i.e., you get sued for damages). This law carries a two-year prison sentence.
     
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    And, since he is not royal, he presumably wouldn't be successful.
     

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