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Tigranes versus Bootstoots

Discussion in 'Infraction Review' started by leif erikson, Sep 7, 2015.

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  1. leif erikson

    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Moderator Action: This appeal thread is in its original form, save for the removal of a medical condition that was posted.
    Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

    Tigranes has requested a review of his 3-point infraction given by Bootstoots on 3 September for this post. The infraction PM:
    Here is the PM exchange between Bootstoots and Tigranes:
    And the PM from Tigranes requesting the review:
    I sent this PM to Tigranes:
    And to Bootstoots:
     
  2. Rob (R8XFT)

    Rob (R8XFT) Ancient Briton Super Moderator

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    To be perfectly honest, whilst the part where Tigranes speaks about bhavv is the most talked about of the three comments, the other two are bad enough to pick up an infraction in my opinion.

    Going back to the comment to bhavv - if he's not going to provoke him then best not to mention him at all.

    I uphold Bootstoots' decision.
     
  3. leif erikson

    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    From Bootstoots:
    Bootstoots also sent a copy of the PM exchange between them and it is the same as posted in the OP.

    edit - and from Tigranes:
     
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    illram Moderator Moderator

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    Yeah I agree with Rob. The first two are worth it in their own right. As for the third, telling someone they don't want to provoke them because they are <removed> sounds more patronizing as opposed to sympathetic, and as boots points out it's unnecessarily bringing up personal things in an unrelated argument.
     
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    Could not agree more. The <removed> comment is trolling, as it is neither necessary nor appropriate and seems intended to provoke a response. The right response was to refrain from commenting, not to comment in this manner. Vote to uphold.
     
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    "I'm not going to discuss your opinions because there's something wrong with you" falls squarely within the trolling rules. I'm willing to believe that Tigranes honestly thought he wouldn't cause offense, but being unaware of the natural effect of your words is not a valid excuse. 'Inadvertent trolling' is entirely possible (or as stated in the OT moderating guidelines, "the troll is reckless as to whether their post is likely to draw a negative reaction"). 3 points seems fair given his limited infraction history - probably saved him from a ban.

    Would it be preferable in this case, or fair to the target, to remove the precise nature of the comment from the published version of this appeal? This isn't an issue that has arisen with the other appeals published thus far. The relevant portion of the rules is:
     
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    Lefty Scaevola Moderatus Illuminatus Super Moderator

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    Yeah, remove the <removed> bit under third party privacy.
     
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    ori Repair Guy Super Moderator

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  9. leif erikson

    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Looks like a unanimous five vote to uphold. Will inform him today of the result.

    Thanks.

    edit- Sent this PM:
     
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