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Time to face it: I suck at Noble.

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by joe6778, Jul 24, 2013.

  1. Fippy

    Fippy Micro Junkie Queen

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    I would tech AH here first btw.
    Sheeps on river are 4f1h2c, very solid tile and worth improving fast. Also i'd do that before Rice, 1 turn faster and just overall better tile.
    When you grow to size 2, does not matter if you have Rice or Sheep first anyways.
    Tech times are also rather fast on Noble.
     
  2. paulcarri

    paulcarri Prince

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    Very true..i played the same map 4 times! to see how i could improve my game
     
  3. JBossch

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    I agree the start isn't great, but perfectly workable for what we are trying to achieve (learning fundamentals of early game).

    @Joe: I would tech AH -> Mine -> BW. Worker first, then improve your food resources (I guess sheep first but doesn't matter much if you do rice first). Warrior roughly circular like Lymond said, but keep an eye on any rivers that might contain good spots for expansion cities.
     
  4. Olson

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    Thanks for posting a pic of the start. Much appreciated.
     
  5. joe6778

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  6. joe6778

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    Can anyone walk me through this?
     
  7. Packers5280

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    Alright, what I would I would do is have the worker farm the rice. After BW, I would say go with AH, then either writing or pottery. Continue to explore in a circular patter around your capital. Look for a city sites as well. A big factor is a strategic resource, copper or horses. Make sure that cities have food for growth. If you could post a map when your first settler is ready and give some possible city locations for us to look at, that would help you with city placement. The first few cities can be key in helping you beat noble. Focus on growing your city to size 3. Then, with as many forests that you have in your BFC, chop a settler out or two. Don't forget to build workers as well. I would try to save some forests for a wonder you may want to have, such as TGL.
     
  8. joe6778

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    Here's how it looks after my 2nd settler appears.

    I'm getting boxed in by the other civs and tundra to the south.
     

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  9. Nials

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    Correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like your worker is building a plains farm? That's a big no-no. Plains just aren't worth working this early on. With all those forests, he should be chopping a few to speed up the settler and perhaps planting a few mines. Make sure to chop riverside tiles first as they will give 1 :commerce: after being chopped. The cleared riverside grassland hill will be your best bet for building the first mine.
     
  10. Kjotleik

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    From the picture you provided I couldn't tell exactly what was up there, but it looks to me that 3N of Paris is a riverside hills/plains tile. It will have at least five (as far as I can see from the picture) riverside grassland tiles to cottage. I think this spot will make a good "suburb" to your capitol. It can share the farmed Rice when it needs to grow onto cottages, and then return the Rice back to your capitol after that.

    Also, I noted three forests immediately to the east of Paris (1NE, 1E and 1SE). Those three should be removed as a security-precaution against enemies invading your empire. Better to prepare than to be sorry after the fact, right? Besides two of them are grasslands that can be farmed for faster growth.

    I cannot see this capitol as a commerce-city. But it has the potential to be a very strong production-city. All out Farms on grassland-tiles and Workshops/Watermills on the riverside plains, and Mines (later Windmills) on the hills in the area...

    I think you should view your 2nd and 3rd cities as "suburbs" to your capitol rather than fully independent ones from the start. What Paris lacks, is the very thing those next two cities need to provide for your empire... in this case Commerce.

    Other (better) players than myself may disagree. If they do, please listen to them instead. But I do think 3N of Paris is a good choice for a 2nd city (from what I can see on the screenshot provided).



    Yours Sincerely

    Kjotleik of Norway :)
     
  11. joe6778

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    OK. I popped my third settler.

    I opened borders with everyone and settled a little further north (since that was where the game recommended) and I' not as close to Paris as 3N. Not sure which tech to research next but I picked mysticism for the monuments.

    What should I be building/researching at this point?
     

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  12. Nials

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    Don't follow the recommendations, they're mostly useless and sometimes downright harmful. In this case though, settling 1N of the suggested spot doesn't seem terrible, but it's hard to say without fully knowing what's up there.

    Hard to say what you should be researching next without seeing more of the land around you.
     
  13. Packers5280

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    Don't always settle where the game tells you to do. Those spots are not always the best of spots. Sharing is good, even better at higher levels. If you share cottage spots around a commerce capital, you can grow the cottages and your capital can become a bureaucratic powerhouse. You should be building mines around Paris. Save the forests if you want a wonder or two.

    For researching, I would probably go with pottery, if you don't have it. Then, I would go aesthetics, and since this is noble, you should probably research alpha, because who knows how long the AI could get there. Then you could backfill with trading the AI with alpha, or other techs. If you can trade for maths, then the next tech is currency/lit. TGL is one of my favorite wonders and I typically go lit/music route. Don't try to research everything, let the AI do some of that for you.

    As for city builds, library would boost science a bit and you would run scientist to stagnate growth, although you should have enough hills for it. Try to grab copper or horses with your settler and then hook them up and then pump out a few axes or chariots. Don't forget to connect your cities.
     
  14. Nials

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    Just curious, but why would you research Aesthetics before Alphabet on Noble? On the higher levels, sure Aesthetics is great trade bait, but on Noble he should be first to Alphabet without really breaking much of a sweat.
     
  15. Packers5280

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    I don't know. Joe could probably get away with researching alphabet first. I guess I was just trying to think of what I would do. Yeah, on second though alpha would be best. Its been a while since I played noble.
     
  16. joe6778

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    I settled to the west.
     

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  17. Nials

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    Paris is size 6. but it only has 3 improved tiles. You should make it a goal to never work unimproved tiles, it's very important to the output of your cities. It's also unhappy because it doesn't have a garrison, yet Lyons has one which it doesn't quite need as much just yet.

    The capital is fairly plains heavy and so it doesn't look like the best spot for a heavy cottage city, so I'm not sure if it should take that role or not. It really depends on what other terrain you have nearby.

    Can you post a save? Without being able to see the surrounding land, it's hard to give good advice.
     
  18. Fippy

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    I would not teach him "only green tiles for cottages" too early.
    Planing big cities goes against learning efficient playing, and actually i prefer cottages in slower places, big food favors specialists.

    There are 2 green river tiles too (just forested)..step by step, he should most likely just cottage Paris and go towards Bur, much better than playing with no real plan.

    Moving Palace and so on..that's way more advanced than learning Noble (i think?) ;)
     
  19. Nials

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    Yeah, you're probably right :) Paris at least has a ton of riverside tiles, so at least it has that going for it.
     
  20. joe6778

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    Here's the saved game.

    BTW- I just completed a game on Noble and won a diplomatic victory although I was 8 turns from a space race victory and I could have wiped everyone else out for a domination win, too. I don't know a lot of the nuances of the game, but I won one.:)

    What's the basics for improvements- cottage riverside grasslands and farm plains? Or just farm riverside plains? Cottage or farm floodplains?
     

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