Times Endorses Clinton, McCain

[Archbob]

Looks like Times has endorsed Hillary Clinton and John McCain:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22832400/


Clinton finally gets some kind of endorsement and it may be an important one, although since its based in NY, its not surprising.

It seems the CNN and MSNBC(at least the reporters like Chris Matthews, heavily favor Obama).

 

[general_kill]

Not surprising at all, I really hope new york will pull through for Obama though, he's just the better leader. I really want to see a president bypass bipartisanship and Hilliary will only polarize Congress.

 

[Archbob]

Not surprising at all, I really hope new york will pull through for Obama though, he's just the better leader. I really want to see a president bypass bipartisanship and Hilliary will only polarize Congress.

Despite the Anti-Hillary sentiment, I somehow don't believe that. She has worked with McCain plenty in the past in working on agreements.
Is there anything in Obama's past record that shows him working across party lines?

Yelling "Change!" a hundred times during your campaign doesn't quite get the nod from me.

I'm pretty sure NY will go to Hillary.

 

[andrewgpisme]

The only reason that people think Obama will bring people together is because he hasn't tried to get anything big done. People think the new kid on the block will change everything.

Don't think republicans will jump on the Obama band wagon. Republicans will bring out the guns as soon as Obama tries to get any major reforms passed. Hillary knows how to handle the republican attacks. Obama simply hasn't faced them yet.

 

[Godwynn]

Is there anything in Obama's past record that shows him working across party lines?

The Obama-Coburn Transparency Act.

The Obama-McCain Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act.

"Obama's energy initiatives scored pluses and minuses with environmentalists, who welcomed his sponsorship with John McCain (R-AZ) of a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050."

"Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act."

"and joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism."

 

[bigdog5994]

ohh in your face angel

 

[general_kill]

Despite the Anti-Hillary sentiment, I somehow don't believe that. She has worked with McCain plenty in the past in working on agreements.
Is there anything in Obama's past record that shows him working across party lines?

Yelling "Change!" a hundred times during your campaign doesn't quite get the nod from me.

I'm pretty sure NY will go to Hillary.

McCain is imfamous for crossing party lines, Hilliary is famous for being one of the most outspoken and polarizing liberals. Frankly, I am sick of congress sitting on its behind in the few days of the year that they are in session doing nothing but bicker. Hilliary simply won't change that and will most likely make it worse, conservatives hate her.

Obama on the other hand is not a polarizing force, he is willing to compromise. In a newsweek article in this week's issue, Republican campaigners have complained about lack of donations and how rich former Republican Donors are donating to Obama instead.

I don't want a liberal version of Bush, I want someone who actually has enough of an open mind to accept that Conservatives have some good points and will at least try to work with them.

Now things can change very rapidly, I'm not even sure Democrats will win the presidential election anymore b/c of the success of the Iraq surge and the alienation of Michigan and Florida from the party.

 

[North King]

Hillary knows how to handle the republican attacks. Obama simply hasn't faced them yet.

Oh yeah, being First Lady, she was definitely in the trenches. Seriously, I don't get this argument of experience. She has a couple more years in the Senate than Obama, and that's it.

 

[Godwynn]

Oh yeah, being First Lady, she was definitely in the trenches. Seriously, I don't get this argument of experience. She has a couple more years in the Senate than Obama, and that's it.

They're are grasping at straws now. Still they persevere even though every poll disagrees with them, and every argument they can provide is promptly shot down.

 

[Irish Caesar]

On a positive note, the endorsement mostly just said how much the Times staff hated McCain less than they hated everyone else.

So it's not really an endorsement...

 

[Archbob]

No, they also said they were impressed with Hillary

 

[Irish Caesar]

No, they also said they were impressed with Hillary

They didn't mention that in the endorsement of McCain, which was more what I was commenting on.

 

[Archbob]

Well, since TIME is crazy liberal, "Less hate" is good enough for a republican candidate.

 

[Irish Caesar]

It's The New York Times, not Time.

Which is way worse.

 

[The Yankee]

It's The New York Times, not Time.

Which is way worse.

Considering how much the Times has been used by Giuliani as a foil, it's like a giant f-bomb against McCain.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Considering how much the Times has been used by Giuliani as a foil, it's like a giant f-bomb against McCain.

Well, the Times wasn't against Giuliani for anything conservative, though...

...otherwise that could be a badge of honor.

They just plain hated him as a mayor.

 

[The Yankee]

Yeah, though Giuliani had been using it this month to talk about "If this paper says I'm wrong, then I must be right!"

 

[general_kill]

Yeah, though Giuliani had been using it this month to talk about "If this paper says I'm wrong, then I must be right!"

Yankee, do you think that Rudy tarnished his reputation with this campaign? I used to think so highly of him when he turned our city from a huge slum into what it was when he left, and after hearing all the lunatic stuff he's been saying, I've lost almost all my respect for him. I don't think many New Yorkers are happy with him neither.

 

[Sims2789]

Despite the Anti-Hillary sentiment, I somehow don't believe that. She has worked with McCain plenty in the past in working on agreements.
Is there anything in Obama's past record that shows him working across party lines?

Yelling "Change!" a hundred times during your campaign doesn't quite get the nod from me.

I'm pretty sure NY will go to Hillary.

Obama tells us his policies with press releases, and single-issue-event speeches. He doesn't do it on the stump. For example, he announced support for net neutrality at the Google campus, and last night he once again told us that he supports capping and trading greenhouse gas emissions.

Speeches are a good time to get out your general philosophy, and only an idiot with as good oratory skills as him would waste them on detailing complex plans.

 

[The Yankee]

Yankee, do you think that Rudy tarnished his reputation with this campaign? I used to think so highly of him when he turned our city from a huge slum into what it was when he left, and after hearing all the lunatic stuff he's been saying, I've lost almost all my respect for him. I don't think many New Yorkers are happy with him neither.

His stock with me has been going downhill ever since he said at the RNC in MSG that he was thanking God that Bush was President while people were being burned and crushed to death just a few blocks away.

But, he was still in the running for my vote since I'm not particularly happy with the field. :sigh: