Northern Pike
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The situation now:
TJ01: Famous Five
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I've had coffee now and thought about it some more. It boils down to an informed guess on what the AI is likely to research. If it is true the Oracle is built first some AI is likely to research Myst. With an appriopiate pre-build we could still get that one first. For us to broaden our options we need more contacts, so... I'm with TJ on this one. We can't go without writing.
Because the AI will be able to expand freely at least in the first part of the game I think we can make the assumption that they *will* help in the research, at least in the first 2 ages. That said, I think we can't afford min research.
edit: seems I took too long waking up today...
Because the AI will be able to expand freely at least in the first part of the game I think we can make the assumption that they *will* help in the research, at least in the first 2 ages. That said, I think we can't afford min research.
edit: seems I took too long waking up today...
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The save:
1750 BC, end of turn
Edit: Sorry, Space, I played before your final verdict came in. We can in fact research at far better than the forty-turn rate, so the decision wasn't really as consequential as I thought when I solicited opinions. To some extent I was making assumptions deriving from deity play.
1750 BC, end of turn
Edit: Sorry, Space, I played before your final verdict came in. We can in fact research at far better than the forty-turn rate, so the decision wasn't really as consequential as I thought when I solicited opinions. To some extent I was making assumptions deriving from deity play.
Yes, I figured as much. This game really makes us think again of little bits of 'automated' play. I like it a lot actually, for two reasons: I makes the game really different from others and it exposes what things are part of that 'automated' play.
Ok, mates, just remember not to play too well, or TJ will start complaining that this game was too easy... 
I am not too sure the AI will help us a lot with tech progress. We should get Masonry from our neighbours, and possibly one-two more AA techs if we are lucky with contacts and with our choice of the research path.
But if our cities grow large enough in the meantime, and our GA kicks in, I wouldn't count on the AI any more beyond that point (with the possible exception of Germany's bonus tech as we reach the Middle Ages).
Besides, we don't want them to progress too fast, do we...
I am not too sure the AI will help us a lot with tech progress. We should get Masonry from our neighbours, and possibly one-two more AA techs if we are lucky with contacts and with our choice of the research path.
But if our cities grow large enough in the meantime, and our GA kicks in, I wouldn't count on the AI any more beyond that point (with the possible exception of Germany's bonus tech as we reach the Middle Ages).
Besides, we don't want them to progress too fast, do we...
Based on AI production preferences, Spain should be researching Masonry right now with 5-20 turns to go. Also Germany should be researching CB which we can test by offering CB again (previous price of CB was 81g). If yes, wed better sell it to them.
Im also afraid to be overwhelmed by the low research speed of the AI. I suggest we get Mysticism, start a Pyramids prebuild with the Oracle in Second Minute, change to Oracle, Pyramids and a Palace prebuild when we get Mysticism and go for max research towards Writing and Lit in the mean time. The Palace pre-build should then change to the Great Library and a prebuild be initiated for Lighthouse or Hanging Gardens after all the libraries are built.
Im also afraid to be overwhelmed by the low research speed of the AI. I suggest we get Mysticism, start a Pyramids prebuild with the Oracle in Second Minute, change to Oracle, Pyramids and a Palace prebuild when we get Mysticism and go for max research towards Writing and Lit in the mean time. The Palace pre-build should then change to the Great Library and a prebuild be initiated for Lighthouse or Hanging Gardens after all the libraries are built.
TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
Got it
Good progress everybody
Play tomorrow.
Ted
Good progress everybody
Play tomorrow.
Ted
TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
Pre-flight checks... OK
Pre-turn
I turn the wick up under the Scientists. At 100% we get Mysticism in 6 turns @ -12gpt. We have just enough in the treasury to cover that so that's the ticket.
Switch First Attempt to Sword - cheaper and upgrades to our UU
Bismarck only offers 60GP for CB so:
Sell CB to Germany for 75gp
Press button
Zzz...
1 - 1725BC
Worker (ESE FA) road
Warrior fort FW
Warrior (SSW FH) N
Warrior (2SE Leipzig) SW
Warrior (N Seville) NW
Warrior (Far West) N
No trades available
IBT
FA Warrior - Worker
FH Temple - Barracks
2 - 1700BC
Worker (SW FH) road - SW (Horse)
Warrior (SW FH) NE, fort
Warrior fort FA
Worker (NE TC) irrigate - road
Warrior (SSE Leipzig) W
Warrior (NNW Seville) NW
Warrior (Far West) NE
Bismarck offers 160gp for Alphabet (marker)
3 - 1675BC
Worker (2SW FH) road
Warrior (Northern) W
Warrior (Southern) N
Warrior (Western) NE
Bismarck still offers 160 for Alphabet
IBT
FA Worker - Gallic Sword (8 turns)
SM Worker - Barracks
4 - 1650BC
Worker (SM) NE, N (heading to mine Horse)
Worker (FA) SE, E (joins Worker roading)
Warrior (Northern) W
Warrior (Southern) N (mountain)
Warrior (Western) E
Research 80% (still 2 turns @ -9gpt, 106gp in the kitty)
Bismarck still offers 160gp for Alphabet so is definitely researching something else
5 - 1625BC
Worker (ESE FA) road
Warrior (Northern) NW
Worker (NE TC) road - SE (Cow)
Worker (SSW TC) NE, mine
Warrior (Western) N
Warrior (Southern) N
Research 70% (1 turn @ -7gpt)
No trades available
IBT
Discover Mysticism - Writing
6 - 1600BC
Worker (2SW FH) road - mine
Worker (ESE FA) road - NW
Worker (ESE FA) road - E
Worker (E TC) road
Warrior (Northern) NW
Warrior (Western) NE
Warrior (Southern) NW
Research 100% (13 turns @ -13gpt, 90 in the bank)
No trades
7 - 1575BC
Worker (E FA) mine
Worker (W FW) chop forest (speed Barracks after Temple)
Warrior (Northern) NW
Warrior (Western) NW
Warrior (Southern) NW
IBT
SM Barracks - Worker
8 - 1550BC
Warrior (Northern) NW
Warrior (Western) NW
Warrior (Southern) NW
IBT
FH Barracks - Gallic Sword
9 - 1525BC
Worker (E TC) road - irrigate
Warrior (Northern) NW
Warrior (Western) N
Warrior (Southern) NW
IBT
SM Worker - Gallic Sword
10 - 1500BC
Worker (SM) SE, E, mine
Warrior (Northern) N
Warrior (Western) W
Warrior (Southern) NW
Notes
First Attempt can start on Colossus next turn.
Second Minute is set to start a Gallic Sword but could be swapped to a Palace pre-build.
The Worker West of Fifth Wheel is chopping not roading in case the next player wants to leave it unconnected.
Research is set to 100% (Writing due in 8 @ -7gpt) but we only have 35gp in the bank so keep an eye on it
The save is > here <. No screenshot as little has changed.
Ted
Pre-turn
I turn the wick up under the Scientists. At 100% we get Mysticism in 6 turns @ -12gpt. We have just enough in the treasury to cover that so that's the ticket.
Switch First Attempt to Sword - cheaper and upgrades to our UU
Bismarck only offers 60GP for CB so:
Sell CB to Germany for 75gp
Press button
Zzz...
1 - 1725BC
Worker (ESE FA) road
Warrior fort FW
Warrior (SSW FH) N
Warrior (2SE Leipzig) SW
Warrior (N Seville) NW
Warrior (Far West) N
No trades available
IBT
FA Warrior - Worker
FH Temple - Barracks
2 - 1700BC
Worker (SW FH) road - SW (Horse)
Warrior (SW FH) NE, fort
Warrior fort FA
Worker (NE TC) irrigate - road
Warrior (SSE Leipzig) W
Warrior (NNW Seville) NW
Warrior (Far West) NE
Bismarck offers 160gp for Alphabet (marker)
3 - 1675BC
Worker (2SW FH) road
Warrior (Northern) W
Warrior (Southern) N
Warrior (Western) NE
Bismarck still offers 160 for Alphabet
IBT
FA Worker - Gallic Sword (8 turns)
SM Worker - Barracks
4 - 1650BC
Worker (SM) NE, N (heading to mine Horse)
Worker (FA) SE, E (joins Worker roading)
Warrior (Northern) W
Warrior (Southern) N (mountain)
Warrior (Western) E
Research 80% (still 2 turns @ -9gpt, 106gp in the kitty)
Bismarck still offers 160gp for Alphabet so is definitely researching something else
5 - 1625BC
Worker (ESE FA) road
Warrior (Northern) NW
Worker (NE TC) road - SE (Cow)
Worker (SSW TC) NE, mine
Warrior (Western) N
Warrior (Southern) N
Research 70% (1 turn @ -7gpt)
No trades available
IBT
Discover Mysticism - Writing
6 - 1600BC
Worker (2SW FH) road - mine
Worker (ESE FA) road - NW
Worker (ESE FA) road - E
Worker (E TC) road
Warrior (Northern) NW
Warrior (Western) NE
Warrior (Southern) NW
Research 100% (13 turns @ -13gpt, 90 in the bank)
No trades
7 - 1575BC
Worker (E FA) mine
Worker (W FW) chop forest (speed Barracks after Temple)
Warrior (Northern) NW
Warrior (Western) NW
Warrior (Southern) NW
IBT
SM Barracks - Worker
8 - 1550BC
Warrior (Northern) NW
Warrior (Western) NW
Warrior (Southern) NW
IBT
FH Barracks - Gallic Sword
9 - 1525BC
Worker (E TC) road - irrigate
Warrior (Northern) NW
Warrior (Western) N
Warrior (Southern) NW
IBT
SM Worker - Gallic Sword
10 - 1500BC
Worker (SM) SE, E, mine
Warrior (Northern) N
Warrior (Western) W
Warrior (Southern) NW
Notes
First Attempt can start on Colossus next turn.
Second Minute is set to start a Gallic Sword but could be swapped to a Palace pre-build.
The Worker West of Fifth Wheel is chopping not roading in case the next player wants to leave it unconnected.
Research is set to 100% (Writing due in 8 @ -7gpt) but we only have 35gp in the bank so keep an eye on it
The save is > here <. No screenshot as little has changed.
Ted
Good going, Ted. Smart on the German science thing. 
I take it you mean FA can start the Pyramids (Colossus is kinda hard inland... ).
I take it you mean FA can start the Pyramids (Colossus is kinda hard inland...
).
TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
Quite right Yndy
Ted
Ted
No, no, I meant the Pyramids. He just *knows* the next player can get this tech from an AI and ... errrm ...
TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
Thanks for the reminder MB
Over to you Space
Ted
Over to you Space
Ted
Got it. Don't know if I can play tomorrow though. MB2 took most of today, and I do ocassionaly need to do some other things too. 
Goals:
Explore.
Get techs ASAP.
Pre-turn
We're in good shape.
IT
First Attempt Gallic -> Pyram.. Oracle
1475BC - turn 1
Irrigate near Second Minute.
No new techs available.
IT
Fifth Wheel Temple -> Rax
1450BC - turn 2
Spain has a worker available, but we can't afford it now. Later slaves will be preferable because they cost no upkeep.
IT
Zzzz
1425BC - turn 3
First Attempt has a new citizen, the happiness situation is fine.
I can move the slider back to (1.9.0) to still get Writing in 4 turns (-5gpt 13 in the box)
We'll road the new tile, maybe we can just make it.
Spain has Writing
, she still has no contact with Germany. I decide to not sell contact and hope we can get some money back from Germany.
IT
The Spanish warrior is still far away from Germany.
1400BC - turn 4
Germany has HBR, this opens up possibilities, but is not really helpful.
Move slider back to (2.8.0) for -4gpt and 8 in the treasury.
MM to get -3 gpt.
IT
Zzzz
1375BC - turn 5
Spain and Germany haven't met yet.
5 gold in treasury at -3gpt, writing in 2.
IT
Zzzz
1350BC - turn 6
Two roads finish, we made it! Move slider to (4.6.0) 3 gold in treasure at +3gpt, Writing next turn.
They haven't met...
IT
Writing comes in, what to research next? We still lack Pottery, so we can't start MM. We really need Masonry, but Lit seems a good choice too. Finally I decide on Masonry and hope one of the 2 others will do Pottery, so we can start MM next. We need to get off this smallish island and meet some others.
We have no money for embassies yet, no need either.
Fifth Wheel Rax -> Warrior
1325BC - turn 7
Sell contact and Alphabet to Germany for HBR and 92 gold, because it's only a matter of time before they meet, neither has Myst. Germay has some money left, but I doubt that it'll be enough to buy writing.
Slider goes to (3.7.0) for Masonry in 6 at 1gpt, 98g in the box.
IT
Zzz
1300BC - turn 8
Germany did buy Writing, for 37g...
IT
Second Minute Gallic -> Horseman
1275BC - turn 9
We need to make a colony on one of the gems soon. I think the ones int the west in the mountains is the best spot, the ultimate spot to take all the gems in the jungle should be guarded by a spare Warrior.
Send Blank there.
IT
1250BC - turn 10
Nothing much to tell, 2 turns left on Masonry at (1.9.0) and -6gpt. We can switch some build then, if nescessary.
Blank should go here:
--------------> The save.
Explore.
Get techs ASAP.
Pre-turn
We're in good shape.
IT
First Attempt Gallic -> Pyram.. Oracle
1475BC - turn 1
Irrigate near Second Minute.
No new techs available.
IT
Fifth Wheel Temple -> Rax
1450BC - turn 2
Spain has a worker available, but we can't afford it now. Later slaves will be preferable because they cost no upkeep.
IT
Zzzz
1425BC - turn 3
First Attempt has a new citizen, the happiness situation is fine.
I can move the slider back to (1.9.0) to still get Writing in 4 turns (-5gpt 13 in the box)
We'll road the new tile, maybe we can just make it.
Spain has Writing
, she still has no contact with Germany. I decide to not sell contact and hope we can get some money back from Germany.IT
The Spanish warrior is still far away from Germany.
1400BC - turn 4
Germany has HBR, this opens up possibilities, but is not really helpful.
Move slider back to (2.8.0) for -4gpt and 8 in the treasury.
MM to get -3 gpt.
IT
Zzzz
1375BC - turn 5
Spain and Germany haven't met yet.
5 gold in treasury at -3gpt, writing in 2.
IT
Zzzz
1350BC - turn 6
Two roads finish, we made it! Move slider to (4.6.0) 3 gold in treasure at +3gpt, Writing next turn.
They haven't met...
IT
Writing comes in, what to research next? We still lack Pottery, so we can't start MM.
We really need Masonry, but Lit seems a good choice too. Finally I decide on Masonry and hope one of the 2 others will do Pottery, so we can start MM next. We need to get off this smallish island and meet some others.We have no money for embassies yet, no need either.
Fifth Wheel Rax -> Warrior
1325BC - turn 7
Sell contact and Alphabet to Germany for HBR and 92 gold, because it's only a matter of time before they meet, neither has Myst. Germay has some money left, but I doubt that it'll be enough to buy writing.
Slider goes to (3.7.0) for Masonry in 6 at 1gpt, 98g in the box.
IT
Zzz
1300BC - turn 8
Germany did buy Writing, for 37g...
IT
Second Minute Gallic -> Horseman
1275BC - turn 9
We need to make a colony on one of the gems soon. I think the ones int the west in the mountains is the best spot, the ultimate spot to take all the gems in the jungle should be guarded by a spare Warrior.
Send Blank there.
IT
1250BC - turn 10
Nothing much to tell, 2 turns left on Masonry at (1.9.0) and -6gpt. We can switch some build then, if nescessary.
Blank should go here:
--------------> The save.
TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
Steady progress Space
Let's hope that Spain or Germany come up with Pottery soon.
The camera pans to Karasu and zooms in... you're up
Ted
Let's hope that Spain or Germany come up with Pottery soon.
The camera pans to Karasu and zooms in... you're up
Ted
...and here I come. Got it.
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Space: Pike --> Pike's Peak --> Summit? 
I think we should research Literacy next, whatever the competing attractions. It's possible that we're undervaluing quick construction of the standard cultural buildings relative to Wonders, and it seems to me that our cities badly need their libraries.
I think we should research Literacy next, whatever the competing attractions. It's possible that we're undervaluing quick construction of the standard cultural buildings relative to Wonders, and it seems to me that our cities badly need their libraries.
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