TNESI: The Glorious Mysteries

[Perfectionist]

Yes he does, they agreed to it on the first turn of Polands creation,

It isn't on the front page.

and might I remind you that you are at war with the Golden Horde as well.

I assure you, I have not forgotten. I will have a quarter of a million men marching east this turn. It would be the easiest thing in the world for them to whack Poland on their way.

 

[Cuivienen]

It isn't on the front page.

Just because Thlayli's been negligent about updating the front page (some nations that haven't existed for years still have stats!) doesn't make alliances not exist.

 

[Perfectionist]

If there are NAP's, Treaties, or Alliances that you wish to be included on the front page, please repost them, and they'll be added.

I believe that Aquitaine, Lothringen and the Norse Empire have a Mutual Protection Pact. It was part of the Peace of Orleans.

 

[Luckymoose]

Perfectionist please do not make me argue this point again. Its best your leave Poland alone and deal with the Horde. Or you might just not survive.

 

[Perfectionist]

Perfectionist please do not make me argue this point again. Its best your leave Poland alone and deal with the Horde. Or you might just not survive.

See, this is exactly what I was talking about: ridiculous threats. You have 25,000 poorly trained soldiers. I have almost 250,000 elite soldiers. How could you possibly destroy me? I remind you that I cannot "leave Poland alone". You declared war on me and stuck your nose into my war with Sweden. If you wanted to be left alone, you should not have done that. I also remind you that you gave in the last time that we argued.

By the way, you keep protesting that my peace offer is unreasonable, but you have not presented any counter-offer. I can only conclude that you want to continue your war.

Thanks for the congratulations, Thlayli.

 

[Sheep]

ooc: First rule of nesing Luckymoose. Know when to walk small.

 

[Luckymoose]

See, this is exactly what I was talking about: ridiculous threats. You have 25,000 poorly trained soldiers. I have almost 250,000 elite soldiers. How could you possibly destroy me? I remind you that I cannot "leave Poland alone". You declared war on me and stuck your nose into my war with Sweden. If you wanted to be left alone, you should not have done that. I also remind you that you gave in the last time that we argued.

By the way, you keep protesting that my peace offer is unreasonable, but you have not presented any counter-offer. I can only conclude that you want to continue your war.

Thanks for the congratulations, Thlayli.

All of your points are wrongly used. First did not declare war on you. Two helped you beat the Swedish. Three, I don't have to beat you. Just help you lose to someone else. Your threats are hollow and your reasoning is unreasonable.

How could you not like that I helped you beat the Swedish.

 

[silver 2039]

And the fact that you demanded land from the Golden Horde that was held by them and that you didn't even onw, and then you offered 3 eco points for TWO econommic centers plus land streaching deep into Lithuania. You have no idea the true value of eco centers. One eco center can easily amount to 6 eco points and the only price I would have accepted was 16 eco points for that land.

 

[Perfectionist]

All of your points are wrongly used. First did not declare war on you. Two helped you beat the Swedish. Three, I don't have to beat you. Just help you lose to someone else. Your threats are hollow and your reasoning is unreasonable.

How could you not like that I helped you beat the Swedish.

1) You did declare war on me. Thlayli said so.

2) Please. Go reread the update. The Norse beat the Swedes by themselves. We captured their king and ordered their armies to stand down. It was only then that your forces moved. You are swooping in at the last moment to try to get land for nothing, as Genoa did to Andalusia. And even if you had helped me, the fact remains that the you declared war on me immediately thereafter. I am not inclined to be grateful.

3) I do not think that you are behaving in character. Do you really think that the Polish leaders would say, "We will lose our lives and our independence, but that is a small price to pay to help the Muslim Golden Horde beat the Norse"?

You keep saying I am unreasonable, but you do not present an offer that you consider reasonable. MAKE ME AN OFFER.

From: Norse Empire
To: Finland

Can we count on your support against the Golden Horde?

 

[Thlayli]

From: Finland
To: The Norse Empire

We would be happy to sign some sort of alliance or agreement, and you have our thanks for helping liberate us from the foul Swedes, but at this time we have no desire to engage in foreign wars.

 

[Azale]

Wait wait wait, so when are orders due again?

 

[Perfectionist]

Orders will be due Friday, December 8th, at 3 PM PST. Please try to have them in on time. Also, people that are complaining about lack of time have 7 days to do them, so you might want to rethink quitting, if you can.

I don't think anything has changed since then.

From: Finland
To: The Norse Empire

We would be happy to sign some sort of alliance or agreement, and you have our thanks for helping liberate us from the foul Swedes, but at this time we have no desire to engage in foreign wars.

From: Norse Empire
To: Finland

In that case, we would like to sign a trade agreement, mutually cutting tariffs to ensure the prosperity of the Baltic region. We would like a defensive pact, but since you do not want to be involved in foreign wars, we would be happy to instead sign a treaty of cooperation and to guarantee your independence from foreign powers. If you desire, we will also dispatch some advisors to help establish your government and military.

 

[Luckymoose]

Perfectionist. A mod has no say in me declaring war and putting my nation in a position i did not intend for it to be put in. But I don't even care anymore. I am going to fight a war with the Norse in defense of Bavaria. And the Polish lands rightfully claimed by us.

 

[Perfectionist]

Perfectionist. A mod has no say in me declaring war and putting my nation in a position i did not intend for it to be put in. But I don't even care anymore. I am going to fight a war with the Norse in defense of Bavaria. And the Polish lands rightfully claimed by us.

The Mod is God, Luckymoose. Thlayli has final say in everything that takes place in this NES. If he misinterpreted your orders, you should try to make them clearer in the future. In the mean time, you have to work with what he gives you. Do you think Alex intended rice riots to break out? Or that Silver intended his people to rebel? They don't whine about it; they work to solve the problems, which you refuse to do.

From: Norse Empire
To: Poland

So you absolutely refuse to even present a counter-offer? So be it.

 

[Luckymoose]

The Mod is God, Luckymoose. Thlayli has final say in everything that takes place in this NES. If he misinterpreted your orders, you should try to make them clearer in the future. In the mean time, you have to work with what he gives you. Do you think Alex intended rice riots to break out? Or that Silver intended his people to rebel? They don't whine about it; they work to solve the problems, which you refuse to do.

From: Norse Empire
To: Poland

So you absolutely refuse to even present a counter-offer? So be it.

Well whats clearer than not mentioning war with the norse in my orders.

 

[alex994]

The Mod is God, Luckymoose. Thlayli has final say in everything that takes place in this NES. If he misinterpreted your orders, you should try to make them clearer in the future. In the mean time, you have to work with what he gives you. Do you think Alex intended rice riots to break out? Or that Silver intended his people to rebel? They don't whine about it; they work to solve the problems, which you refuse to do.

OOC: Oh that's a COMPLETELY incorrect statement to make, at least about my rice riots The Rice Riots happened due to natural events though I will claim in the future it was meant to sow the seeds for reform. Natural events such as volcanic eruption are under the mod's control, the ability to DECLARE WAR is the player's prerogative (when they actually "control" the nation of course, if they don't that's a moot point)

 

[Thlayli]

Right. Get those orders in, people! This will definitely be a very interesting update.

Are you sure you want to quit, silver? Even a few paragraphs of provisional orders or NPC guidelines until you get some more time would help.

I'm planning a little story interlude to go before Update 5. Several of you will like it, and several of you won't.

 

[alex994]

I hope you post the story BEFORE you start working on the update

 

[Thlayli]

I hope you post the story BEFORE you start working on the update

Yes, since the story will have a significant effect on it.

EDIT: For the random fact of the day, TNESI is the third most viewed currently active NES, after JalNES and LINESII.

 

[Luckymoose]

Does it include the truth of Poland!