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Tomatekh's Historical Religions v.10.3.a

Adds additional historical (pre-modern and indigenous) religions to the base game.

  1. Tomatekh

    Tomatekh Sahib-i-Qirani

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    Download Tomatekh's Historical Relgions

    This mod adds additional historical (pre-modern and indigenous) religions to the base game. Leaders previously lacking a religious preference (Aztec, Greece, etc.) are updated to prefer an appropriate historical religion. Several additional generic icons are also included.

    Configuration File:
    The mod includes a configuration table at the top of the "HR_Religions_Config.sql" file which may be used to toggle the included denomination packs and/or enable a "light" version of the mod.

    On a PC the default Steam mod folder is:
    C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\289070\

    With Historical Religions usually found in folder:
    ~\870850597\

    However, these folders my vary based on your individual install settings.

    Note: If using the mod in multiplayer, all players need to have identical settings in the configuration file.

    Denomination Packs:
    Open the configuration file and edit the individual value entries to 1 or 0 to add/remove denominations for Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam & Protestantism and Andean, Baltic, Egyptian, Greco-Roman, Mesoamerican, Mesopotamian, Polynesian, Uralic & Yoruba religions. All packs are toggled on by default.

    Historical Religions Light:
    Too many religions? Edit the included configuration file to enable a “light” version of the mod; Historical Religions will load with only a minimum of new religions to represent the officially included civilizations.

    Included Religions:

    Spoiler :







    - Amatongo (Eastern Bantu)
    ---- Amatongo (Zulu)
    ---- Mwari Cult (Shona)
    - Angakkunngurniq (Inuit)
    - Anito (Philippine)
    - Anktatt-u (Harappan)
    - Baha’i
    - Bird Figure Cult (Vincan)
    - Buddhism:
    --- Theravada
    --- Mahayana
    --- Vajrayana
    - Bumuntu (Luba)
    - Canaanism (Levantine)
    - Chaldaeanism (Mesopotamian)
    --- Chaldaeanism
    --- Ashurism (Assyrian)
    --- Napir-tuniis (Elamite)
    - Christianity:
    --- Catholicism
    --- Arianism
    --- Catharism
    --- Nestorianism
    --- Oriental Orthodoxy
    --- Eastern Orthodoxy
    --- Anglicanism
    --- Protestantism
    ------ Lutheranism
    ------ Calvinism
    ------ Baptist Christianity
    ------ Methodism
    ------ Adventism
    ------ Pentecostalism
    --- Restorationism
    ------ Mormonism
    - Confucianism
    - Datura Cult (Chumash)
    - Dreamtime (Aborigine)
    - Druidism (Celtic)
    - Druze
    - Forn Sidr (Norse)
    - Hellenism (Greco-Roman):
    --- Atanodjuwaja Cult (Minoan)
    --- Mysteries
    --- Dodekatheon
    --- Neoplatonism
    --- Numenism
    --- Imperial Cult
    --- Mithraism
    --- Heros Cult (Thracian)
    - Hinduism:
    --- Vedism
    --- Shaivism
    --- Shaktism
    --- Vaishnavism
    --- Smartism
    - Itan (Yoruba)
    - Itang (Micronesian)
    - Islam:
    --- Sunni
    --- Shia
    --- Ibadi
    --- Ahmadi
    - Jainism
    - Judaism
    - Kachina (Pueblo)
    - Laiboni (Maasai)
    - Li’im Dingermes (Hittite)
    - Mahoma (Calusa)
    - Malagan (Melanesian)
    - Mandaeanism
    - Manichaeism
    - Mi-chos (Tibetan)
    - Mohism
    - Muism (Korean)
    - Mushrikūn (Arabic)
    - Noaidevuohta (Uralic)
    --- Noaidevuohta (Sami)
    --- Suomenusko (Finnish)
    - Nommo (Dogon)
    - N'um (Saan)
    - Nzambiism (Kongolese)
    - Onyamesom (Ashanti)
    - Orenda (Eastern American)
    --- Orenda (Iroquois)
    --- Midewiwin (Ojibwe)
    - Pachaism (Andean)
    --- Ayni
    --- Intiism (Inca)
    --- Chiminigagua (Muisca)
    - Pajelanca (Amazonian)
    - Pesedjet (Egyptian):
    --- Amanaiism (Libyan)
    --- Pesedjet
    --- Atenism
    - Pohakantenna (Shoshone)
    - Puata Tupuna (Polynesian)
    --- Tala-e-Fonua (West Polynesian)
    --- Puata Tupuna (East Polynesian)
    --- Tangata Manu (Rapa Nui)
    - Razana (Malagasy)
    - Rodnovery (Balto-Slavic)
    --- Rodnovery (Slavic)
    --- Romuva (Baltic)
    - Sairimaism (Scythian)
    - Samanism (Siberian)
    - Santería
    - Satsana Phi (Tai)
    - Sgaanaang (Haida)
    - Shinto
    - Sikhism
    - Southern Cult (Mound Builder)
    --- Fox and Owl Cult (Poverty Point)
    --- Southern Cult (Mississippian)
    - Taoism
    --- Shenism (Han)
    --- Taoism
    - Tât Roog (Serer)
    - Temaukelism (Selk'nam)
    - Tengriism (Turkic)
    - Tlateomatiliztli (Mesoamerican)
    --- Tzol'kin (Maya)
    --- Tlateomatiliztli (Aztec)
    - Voodoo
    - Wakan Tanka (Sioux)
    - Witran Mapu (Mapuche)
    - Yazdânism (Kurdish)
    - Zemiism (Taino)
    - Zoroastrianism
    --- Mazdayasna
    --- Zurvanism

    Generic Icons:
    - Aries Symbol
    - Gemini Symbol
    - Libra Symbol
    - Sagittarius Symbol
    - Capricorn Symbol
    - Dragon Symbol
    - Tiger Symbol
    - Torch Symbol
    - Cup Symbol
    - Sword Symbol
    - Pentagram Symbol
    - Octopus Symbol
    - Tree Symbol
    - Ouroboros Symbol
    - Eye of Providence Symbol
    - Monk Symbol
    - Tower Symbol
    - Spiral Symbol
    - Venus Symbol
    - Caduceus Symbol
    - Atom Symbol

    Updates to Religion Icons:
    - Catholicism
    - Eastern Orthodoxy

    Similar to the Civ V version of this mod, I will continue to expand the mod and add new religions in the future.

    Adding Support to Modded Civs:

    - First, where you update your database in your modinfo file, set your mod to have a load order of 0 or greater:
    Code:
           <UpdateDatabase id="">
               <Properties>
                   <LoadOrder>0</LoadOrder>
               </Properties>
               <Items>
                   ...
               </Items>
               ...
           </UpdateDatabase>
    
    - Next find the file name for the HR religion you wish to use from the list below. Note that because each religion must have a unique icon string, not all religion file names match the spelling of the religion as included in game.

    Code:
    - Amatongo (Eastern Bantu)               RELIGION_AMATONGO ('Am')
    --- Amatongo (Zulu)                         RELIGION_AMATONGO ('Am')
    --- Mwari Cult (Shona)               RELIGION_MWARI ('Mw')
    - Angakkunngurniq (Inuit)               RELIGION_AGAKKUNNGURNIQ ('Ag')
    - Anito (Phillipine)                RELIGION_AITO ('Ai')
    - Anktatt-u (Harappan)                   RELIGION_ANKATTU ('An')
    - Baha'i                                        RELIGION_BAHAI ('Ba')
    - Bird Figure Cult (Vincan)              RELIGION_BIRD_FIGURE ('Bi')
    - Buddhism:                                  RELIGION_BUDDHISM ('Bu')
    --- Theravada                                 RELIGION_BUDDHISM ('Bu')
    --- Mahayana                                RELIGION_B1_MAHAYANA ('B1')
    --- Vajrayana                                 RELIGION_B2_VAJRAYANA ('B2')
    - Bumuntu (Luba)                          RELIGION_BMUNTU ('Bm')
    - Canaanism (Levantine)                 RELIGION_CNAANISM ('Cn')
    - Chaldaeanism (Mesopotamian)           RELIGION_CHALDAENISM ('Ch')
    --- Chaldaeanism                        RELIGION_CHALDAENISM ('Ch')
    --- Ashurism (Assyrian)                  RELIGION_M1_ASHURISM ('M1')
    --- Napir-tuniis (Elamite)              RELIGION_M2_NAPIR ('M2')
    - Christianity:                                RELIGION_CATHOLICISM ('Ca')
    --- Catholicism                              RELIGION_CATHOLICISM ('Ca')
    --- Arianism                                  RELIGION_C5_ARIANISM ('C5')
    --- Catharism                                RELIGION_C6_CATHARISM ('C6')
    --- Nestorianism                            RELIGION_C2_NESTORIANISM (C2)
    --- Oriental Orthodoxy                    RELIGION_C1_ORIENTAL ('C1')
    --- Eastern Orthodoxy                    RELIGION_ORTHODOXY ('Or')
    --- Anglicanism                              RELIGION_C3_ANGLICANISM ('C3')
    --- Protestantism                          RELIGION_PROTESTANTISM ('Pr')
    ------ Lutheranism                       RELIGION_PROTESTANTISM ('Pr')
    ------ Calvinism                       RELIGION_P1_CALVINISM ('P1')
    ------ Anabaptism [Deactivated]       RELIGION_P6_ANABAPTISM ('P6')
    ------ Baptists                     RELIGION_P2_BAPTIST ('P2')
    ------ Quakers [Deactivated]        RELIGION_P7_QUAKER ('P7')
    ------ Methodism                       RELIGION_P3_METHODISM ('P3')
    ------ Adventism                       RELIGION_P5_ADVENTISM ('P5')
    ------ Pentecostalism                   RELIGION_P4_PENTECOSTALISM ('P4')
    --- Restorationism                           RELIGION_C4_RESTORATIONISM ('C4')
    ------ Mormonism                         RELIGION_C4_RESTORATIONISM ('C4')
    - Confucianism                           RELIGION_CONFUCIANISM ('Co')
    - Datura Cult (Chumash)           RELIGION_DATURA ('Da')
    - Dreamtime (Aborigine)                   RELIGION_TJUKURPA ('Tj')
    - Druidism (Celtic)                       RELIGION_DRUIDISM ('Dr')
    - Druze                               RELIGION_I3_DRUZE ('I3')
    - Forn Sidr (Norse)                       RELIGION_FORN_SIDR ('Fo')
    - Hellenism (Greco-Roman):               RELIGION_HELLENISM ('He')
    --- Atanodjuwaja Cult (Minoan)           RELIGION_R1_ATANODJUWAJA_CULT ('R1')
    --- Mysteries                           RELIGION_R2_MYSTERIES ('R2')
    --- Dodekatheon                           RELIGION_HELLENISM ('He')
    --- Neoplatonism                       RELIGION_R3_NEOPLATONISM ('R3')
    --- Numenism                           RELIGION_R4_NUMENISM ('R4')
    --- Imperial Cult                       RELIGION_R5_IMPERIAL_CULT ('R5')
    --- Mithraism                           RELIGION_R6_MITHRAISM ('R6')
    --- Heros Cult (Thracian)               RELIGION_R7_HEROS_CULT ('R7')
    - Hinduism:                               RELIGION_HINDUISM ('Hi')
    --- Vedism                               RELIGION_H1_VEDISM ('H1')
    --- Shaivism                           RELIGION_H3_SHAIVISM ('H3')
    --- Shaktism                           RELIGION_H4_SHAKTISM ('H4')
    --- Vaishnavism                           RELIGION_H2_VAISHNAVISM ('H2')
    --- Smartism                           RELIGION_HINDUISM ('Hi')
    - Itan (Yoruba)                           RELIGION_IFA ('If')
    - Itang (Micronesian)                   RELIGION_ITANG ('It')
    - Islam:                               RELIGION_ISLAM ('Is')
    --- Sunni                               RELIGION_ISLAM ('Is')
    --- Shia                               RELIGION_I1_SHIA ('I1')
    --- Ibadi                               RELIGION_I2_IBADI ('I2')
    --- Mu'tazila [Deactivated]       RELIGION_Q5 ('Q5')
    --- Ahmadi                           RELIGION_I4_AHMADI ('I4')
    - Jainism                               RELIGION_JAINISM ('Ja')
    - Judaism                               RELIGION_JUDAISM ('Ju')
    - Kachina (Pueblo)                       RELIGION_KACHINA ('Ka')
    - Laiboni (Maasai)                       RELIGION_LAIBONI ('La')
    - Li'im Dingermes (Hittite)               RELIGION_LIIM_DINGIRMES ('Li')
    - Mahoma (Calusa)                   RELIGION_MHOMA ('Mh)'
    - Malagan (Melanesian)                RELIGION_MLAGAN ('Ml')
    - Mandaeanism                           RELIGION_MNDAENISM ('Mn')
    - Manichaeism                           RELIGION_MANICHAEISM ('Ma')
    - Mi-Chos (Tibetan)           RELIGION_MCHOS ('Mc')
    - Mohism                RELIGION_MOHISM ('Mo')
    - Muism (Korean)                       RELIGION_MUISM ('Mu')
    - Mushrikūn (Arabic)                   RELIGION_MSHRIKUN ('Ms')
    - Noaidevuohta (Uralic)                   RELIGION_NOAIDEVUOHTA ('No')
    --- Noaidevuohta (Sami)                   RELIGION_NOAIDEVUOHTA ('No')
    --- Suomenusko (Finnish)              RELIGION_U1_SUOMENUSKO ('U1')
    - Nommo (Dogon)               RELIGION_NMMO ('Nm')
    - N'um (Saan)                           RELIGION_NUM ('Nu')
    - Nzambiism (Kongolese)                   RELIGION_NZAMBIISM ('Nz')
    - Onyamesom (Ashanti)                   RELIGION_ONYAMESOM ('On')
    - Orenda (Eastern American)                   RELIGION_OENDA ('Oe')
    --- Orenda (Iroquois)                   RELIGION_OENDA ('Oe')
    --- Midewiwin (Ojibwe)                   RELIGION_MIDEWIWIN ('Mi')
    - Pachaism (Andean)                       RELIGION_PCHAISM ('Pc')
    --- Pachaism                           RELIGION_PCHAISM ('Pc')
    --- Intiism (Inca)                     RELIGION_A1_INTIISM ('A1')
    --- Chiminigagua                    RELIGION_A2_CHIMINIGAGUA ('A2')
    - Pajelanca (Amazonian)                   RELIGION_PJELANCA ('Pj')
    - Pesedjet (Egyptian):                   RELIGION_PESEDJET ('Pe')
    --- Amanaiism (Libyan)                   RELIGION_E1_AMANAIISM ('E1')
    --- Pesedjet                           RELIGION_PESEDJET ('Pe')
    --- Atenism                               RELIGION_E2_ATENISM ('At')
    - Pohakantenna (Shoshone)               RELIGION_POHAKANTENNA ('Po')
    - Puata Tupuna (Polynesian)               RELIGION_PUATA_TUPUNA ('Pu')
    --- Tala-e-Fonua (West Polynesian)    RELIGION_O2_TALA_FONUA ('O2')
    --- Puata Tupuna (East Polynesian)        RELIGION_PUATA_TUPUNA ('Pu')
    --- Tangata Manu (Rapa Nui)               RELIGION_O1_TANGATA_MANU ('O1')
    - Razana (Malagasy)                       RELIGION_RAZANA ('Ra')
    - Rodnovery (Balto-Slavic)                   RELIGION_RODNOVERY ('Ro')
    --- Rodnovery (Slavic)                RELIGION_RODNOVERY ('Ro')
    --- Romuva (Baltic)                      RELIGION_S1_ROMUVA ('S1')
    - Sairimaism (Scythian)                   RELIGION_SAIRIMAISM ('Sa')
    - Samanism (Siberian)                   RELIGION_SMANISM ('Sm')
    - Santería                           RELIGION_SNTERIA ('Sn')
    - Satsana Phi (Tai)                       RELIGION_PHI ('Ph')
    - Sgaanaang (Haida)                       RELIGION_SGAANAANG ('Sg')
    - Shinto                               RELIGION_SHINTO ('Sh')
    - Sikhism                               RELIGION_SIKHISM ('Si')
    - Southern Cult (Mound Builder)           RELIGION_SOUTHERN_CULT ('So')
    --- Fox and Owl Cult (Poverty Point)   RELIGION_Q4 ('Q4')
    --- Southern Cult (Mississippian)           RELIGION_SOUTHERN_CULT ('So')
    - Taoism                               RELIGION_TAOISM ('Ta')
    --- Shenism (Han)           RELIGION_T1_SHENISM ('T1')
    --- Taoism                               RELIGION_TAOISM ('Ta')
    - Tat Roog (Serer)                   RELIGION_FAT_ROOG ('Fa')
    - Tengriism (Turkic)                   RELIGION_TENGRIISM ('Te')
    - Temaukelism (Selk'nam)                 RELIGION_TMAUKELISM ('Tm')
    - Tlateomatiliztli (Mesoamerican)            RELIGION_TLATEOMATILIZTLI ('Tl')
    --- Tzol'kin (Maya)                     RELIGION_TZOLKIN ('Tz')
    --- Tlateomatiliztli (Aztec)           RELIGION_TLATEOMATILIZTLI ('Tl')
    - Voodoo                               RELIGION_VOODOO ('Vo')
    - Wakan Tanka (Sioux)                   RELIGION_WAKAN_TANKA ('Wa')
    - Witran Mapu (Mapuche)                   RELIGION_WITRAN_MAPU ('Wi')
    - Yazdânism (Kurdish)                   RELIGION_YAZDANISM ('Ya')
    - Zemiism (Taino)                       RELIGION_ZEMIISM ('Ze')
    - Zoroastrianism                       RELIGION_ZOROASTRIANISM ('Zo')
    --- Mazdayasna                           RELIGION_ZOROASTRIANISM ('Zo')
    --- Zurvanism               RELIGION_Z1_ZURVANISM ('Z1')
    
    - Now, instead of creating a FavoredReligions entry in the XML, create an SQL file or entry which loads after the file or entry which adds your leader. We will use this to set the leader religious preference, like so:

    Code:
    DELETE FROM FavoredReligions WHERE LeaderType = 'LEADER_GILGAMESH';
    
    INSERT OR REPLACE INTO FavoredReligions
               (LeaderType,                                       ReligionType)
    SELECT   ('LEADER_GILGAMESH'),                             ('RELIGION_CHALDAENISM')
    WHERE EXISTS (SELECT * FROM Religions WHERE ReligionType = 'RELIGION_CHALDAENISM');
    
    UPDATE Religions
    SET RequiresCustomName = 0
    WHERE ReligionType = 'RELIGION_CHALDAENISM'
    AND EXISTS (SELECT * FROM Religions WHERE ReligionType = 'RELIGION_CHALDAENISM')
    AND EXISTS (SELECT * FROM HR_Denominations WHERE Type = 'HR_CUSTOM_NAMES' AND Value = 1);
    
    Note how this entry checks if the religion exists before adding the preference. This prevents a crash in case people are not using the mod.

    - If you would like to also include a preference for a default religion in case people are not using HR, the SQL is similar albeit slightly more complicated:

    Code:
    DELETE FROM FavoredReligions WHERE LeaderType = 'LEADER_GILGAMESH';
    
    INSERT OR REPLACE INTO FavoredReligions
               (LeaderType,                                       ReligionType)
    SELECT   ('LEADER_GILGAMESH'),                             ('RELIGION_ISLAM')
    WHERE NOT EXISTS (SELECT * FROM Religions WHERE ReligionType = 'RELIGION_CHALDAENISM');
    
    INSERT OR REPLACE INTO FavoredReligions
               (LeaderType,                                       ReligionType)
    SELECT   ('LEADER_GILGAMESH'),                             ('RELIGION_CHALDAENISM')
    WHERE EXISTS (SELECT * FROM Religions WHERE ReligionType = 'RELIGION_CHALDAENISM');
    
    UPDATE Religions
    SET RequiresCustomName = 0
    WHERE ReligionType = 'RELIGION_CHALDAENISM'
    AND EXISTS (SELECT * FROM Religions WHERE ReligionType = 'RELIGION_CHALDAENISM')
    AND EXISTS (SELECT * FROM HR_Denominations WHERE Type = 'HR_CUSTOM_NAMES' AND Value = 1);
    
    In this case, this first entry checks if the HR religion does not exist. If not it sets the default religion (in this case Islam). The second entry checks if the HR religion does exist, and if so, sets it.

    - Please feel free to contact me if you need any help adding mod support!

    Credits:

    I would like to give special thanks to Sukritact for helping me figure out how to add icons, Leugi for figuring out how to do the overlay graphic, Zebenji for providing a French translation, and stevie-the-curious for providing a German translation.
     
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  2. The Specialize

    The Specialize Chieftain

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    Glad to see this released, Was greatly looking forward to it.
     
  3. UncivilizedGuy

    UncivilizedGuy Civ is brain candy.

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    Did you create new art for this or are these recycled icons?
     
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    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

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    Where's the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Russell's Teapot, and the Invisible Pink Unicorn? Atom isn't enough to represent secularism/humanism/atheism/agnosticism.

    Oh, and please add in the rest of the animals of the Eastern Zodiac as well.
     
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  5. Agent327

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    You may have noted the title Historical Religions. ;)

    Speaking of which, why Hellenism? Clearly it was a cultural phenomenon, and not a religion adhered to by 'Greco-Romans'. (In fact, Hellenism - the spread of Greek culture - wasn't Roman at all.)
     
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    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

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    Yet, the Atom is included (or is it part of the base game already?).
     
  7. Agent327

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    No, it's not. You're talking about the icons.
     
  8. Tomatekh

    Tomatekh Sahib-i-Qirani

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    @The Specialize

    Thanks!

    @UncivilizedGuy

    The mod uses original icons I created.

    @God of Kings

    This was brought up and discussed enough times with the Civ V version of the mod, that I'm not going to repeat the whole discussion here (you can to look through the Civ V thread if you want to read it). Basically, the focus of this mod is on pre-modern and indigenous religions. As such, I have no real interest in adding atheism or getting caught up doing requests to add every single modern sect or derivative of X religion. Besides atheism not being a religion by definition and not making sense in the choose pantheon/belief structure used by Civ V-VI, it is also historically incorrect to have atheism as a state level institution (what the Civ V-VI religions essentially represent) before the modern era. Similarly, Pastafarianism, et al. are also not religions and not pre-modern.

    As for more generic icons, they probably won't happen from me. I have little interest in doing generic icons at the moment (especially since there are still so many historical religions in the V version of the mod that I need to port to the VI one). I only finished the zodiac because my OCD wouldn’t let me leave them incomplete. The rest of the generic icons I added were done in an attempt to form groupings. I added the tiger icon to turn the snake-peacock-turtle icons into a pseudo four symbols grouping. I really didn’t know what to do with the elephant and butterfly and actually would have preferred removing them but, in the end, just left them in. The final two generic icons I added were simply meant to represent generic prehistoric religion and generic future religion; the Venus figure being one of the most prevalent Neolithic religious motifs and an atom being a readily identifiable symbol used for science and scientific progress. You can also view the atom as the one bone I’m throwing to the atheism requests (a variation of the atom symbol is used by the American Atheists society). However, as with all generic icons, they are not meant to represent any one specific religion but instead serve as generic symbols that could work for multiple situations, which I feel the atom does.

    @Agent327

    It depends on how you’re discussing it. Of course, the term Hellenism is used a lot (to mean Hellenization, the spread of Greek culture; Hellenism, the 18th century neo-classic movement; modern Hellenic studies, etc.); however, it is also used in discussing the Hellenistic period and, as such, the general cultural structures of the expanded Alexandrine Empire and the Roman Empire from roughly 300 BC to AD 300. Technically, in an academic sense, then, Religious Hellenism only refers to the belief structures of these cultures in this 600 year time period; the mod sort of fudges the term and uses it in a more generalized sense. However, this was an intentional choice by me because of the significance this period had on both Greek and Roman religious thought especially in terms of the level of orientalism and syncretism that began to characterize belief and that would form a key part of later Greco-Roman religious thought. (On a related note, Hellenism is also used by modern neo-Pagan Greek reconstructionist movements, but this reference was more incidental than intentional).

    That’s not to say I’m not familiar with and/or dismissing the various intricacies of Greek religious expression (traditional religion, mystery cults, state cults, hero cults, mystical philosophies, etc.) or the differences between Greek and Roman religious expression. For the Civ V version of the mod, I eventually released a Greco-Roman Denominations pack which split “Hellenism” into 8 religions:

    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=308809534

    This was still 8 broad-ish categories, and I could have split it up even further. I may do something similar for the VI version of the mod. However, for the moment and especially for a first release of the mod, I didn’t see it as a priority and saw using a single religion for both Greek and Roman belief to be in line with the Civ series’ trend to use generalized categories for these sort of things. In which case, I saw “Hellenism”, for the reasons mentioned above, as an appropriate term to encompass this broad religious category.
     
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  9. Agent327

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    That's most eloquent, however, Hellenism is not 'a religion', let alone 'a historical religion'. As said, it's a cultural phenomenon which includes religious components. That's a difference. Seeing as this is a mod, it's ultimately your choice; I just wanted to point this out.
     
  10. sukritact

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    Out of pure interest, what would you call the Graeco-Roman religions then?
     
  11. Tomatekh

    Tomatekh Sahib-i-Qirani

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    But that's just a matter of being overly pedantic in terms of defining Hellenism. Hellenism as a term is simply an ethnonym to reference various culture movements during the Hellenistic period (or, subsequently, Hellenistic culture in general). However, it does not need to be used in an overarching sense and can (and has) been used as a shorthand when only describing one aspect of that culture. So, if you are using it specifically when discussing religion in that period, there is nothing incorrect with using "Hellenism" as term for that grouping of religious systems. The term does not just mean the spreading of Greek culture. Very very few historical religious systems had official names like we have for religions today due to a different worldview in terms of how religion was understood and integrated by ancient peoples. In fact, personal ancient religious belief was often not what we would think of as religion today but closer to what we would describe as a cultural phenomenon; it wasn't just ritual and practice but spread into all aspects of life and meshed with surrounding and foreign cultures and ideas. Lacking an official name, there is nothing incorrect with ascribing a term that has previously been used specifically in a context to encompass ancient Greco-Roman religious systems and expanded culture.

    If you have what you believe to be a more appropriate term, I am and always have been open to suggestions (and have previously incorporated numerous suggestions over the history of the Civ V version of this mod).
     
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    UncivilizedGuy Civ is brain candy.

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    I was under the impression that we could only add BLP art files. I have also been curious if what you did is possible. I'm impressed! This is great! Are you the first modder to make this happen?
     
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    It's not perfect, though. You need to overwrite the “Icons_Religions.xml” file in the base game folders with the same named file included in the mod. Overwriting base game files is currently the only way to add new art icons like this, but we're hoping that the release of the official SDK will allow us to add new art stuff normally.

    I credit Sukritact for helping me to figure out how to add the new icons this way.

    Hajee also has a post about it in the forums:

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/adding-in-custom-icons.606109/#post-14580157
     
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    I wasn't trying to be pedantic.

    Also, I don't need to provide alternative terms, they're in your own (CiV) mod. ;)
     
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    None of the terms used in the Greco-Roman Denominations pack would be appropriate as they all represent specific aspects of Greco-Roman religiosity instead of a generalized term to encompass Greco-Roman religious thought. It would be like calling a generalized "Christianity" religion a specific denomination like Protestantism.

    Greek belief can generally be split into three broad categories of religious expression: traditional religion, mystery cults, and philosophical mysticism (along with various subsets of these things like hero cults, etc). Dodekatheism, Mysteries, Neoplatonism, and Heros Karabazmos all refer to one of these specific aspects while excluding the others. Similarly, Roman belief is made up of traditional religion, inherited Etruscan belief, state cults, and syncretic & oriental traditions. Terms like Numenism, Imperial Cult, and Mithraism are all overly specific and would be inappropriate for a more generalized inclusion of Greco-Roman religious thought.

    Hellenism is the only term I can think of that provides a general meaning that doesn't exclude any specific form of Greco-Roman religiosity.
     
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    UncivilizedGuy Civ is brain candy.

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    I've been recycling icons in my own mods by overwriting files but I didn't realize it was possible to add new stuff. This is very cool :thumbsup:
     
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    I'm playing with ~30 mods, and it seems to be this one that is making me unable to start a new game. I'll set everything up accordingly, but it just goes from "Loading" to "Start game" and then back to the main menu.
     
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    Tomatekh Sahib-i-Qirani

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    If you've installed it correctly, I can only suppose there might be a mod conflict between this mod and one of the other ones you are using. Do any of them also edit the game's religion entries? Otherwise, I and several other modders have tested this mod solo with no problems. If you could post an error log, I might be able to determine more.
     
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    I'm guessing this mod is incompatible with either Dale's ReligiiousUnitsBorderControl, .AlertGuard or YnAMP, as I can't start a game with it. (Turning Dale's mod off doesn't make a difference.) The game just goes from Start Game straight back to the start menu.

    Well, that would be exactly my point. There is no term that covers Greco-Roman religiosity, nor the various religions that prospered in the Greco-Roman era. So, you can call it 'Hellenism'- as long as you realize that's a misnomer. And if you think that's 'pedantic', soit.
     
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    I for one was glad to see the generic term 'Hellenism' as I rather thought 'Hellenistic Polytheism' (according to Wikipedia, entering its decline around the time of the Constantinian shift, and from which Wikipedia redirects to 'Greco-Roman Polytheism') to be a bit too long a name.
     

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