i thought bout sitting civ4 aside for a bit and reverting to civ3, mainly because its modern era is much better. nuclear sabotage, ecoterrorists etc.. but i have a problem. i quit civ3 because i was unable to lose. even on sid mode, unless i was just not trying, i always auto-won. no i didnt use the worker/add to city/settler exploit and RARELY used the war from open borders. i also didnt use the ICS unless the AI made me, in which most of the cities would be destroyed later for more specialized tile-working. i didnt find it fun, and the only reason i saw the late game was because i chose NOT to win earlier. so here is my question. Has any official patch made it harder? i am thinking about HOF and GOTM. is there something to challenge myself with or should i just work on climbing to immortal in civ4? civ3 feels a lot easier. civ4 feels a lot harder. thoughts??