Top Israeli Officer Says Tactics Are Backfiring
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amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
If he was an officer for the Palestinians, he'd be issued the standard 9 grams of lead every dissenting officer gets.
RedWolf
Deity
So what does that have to do with him having a valid point or not?
andrewgprv
Second Class Citizen
The article is not about which side has the moral high ground it's about whether or not current Israeli policy is in fact hurting Israel.
I'm going to comment on both the issues that will inevitably arise, albeit independently:
In times of all out war, officers should not publicly criticize their government's actions. To do so would be disloyal and treacherous. However, this is not a case of all out war, he's complaining against methodology of repression and occupation, and he's right to do so.
As far as the thread starters presumed intended issue, being the possibility of Israel hurting itself, then I would say most definitively yes.
In times of all out war, officers should not publicly criticize their government's actions. To do so would be disloyal and treacherous. However, this is not a case of all out war, he's complaining against methodology of repression and occupation, and he's right to do so.
As far as the thread starters presumed intended issue, being the possibility of Israel hurting itself, then I would say most definitively yes.
Leha
ooseepoosee
I must disagree here . As I pointed out in other thread , soldier , officer , general has no right to make such statements to media . To do so he must leave army . Then he can make any statement he wishes . Now , being high rank officer he represents army of Israel , organization not involved in politics . His behaviour is at least not ethical . Serving in IDF at his post and rank he got VERY good money from country . He has no guts to leave army because then he will lose many previleges connected to his service .
All said , I feel nothing but contempt to people of this kind .
Don't get me wrong .
Yes , he can criticise Israel policy ..... in general staff meeting , but showing the whole world he is good guy from one side and taking all sweets from other makes him nothing but ***hole .
Quite the contrary. His duty as a military officer is to protect and defend his country from threats to it's security and safety. He considers Israel's policies to be a threat to Israel, therefore he is acting out against those policies. His actions illustrate the depth of his loyalty, not the betrayal of it.
By speaking out publicly, no matter how morally justified I think it to be, he risks serious political consequences. He has put himself in a situation where those priviledges are now at risk. That being the case, I can only conclude that his beliefs are more important to him than his financial benefits.
You also suggest cowardice is present in this individual, and yet he has created a situation and propelled himself into political danger. Such actions are usually either committed by the courageous and/or the stupid, which are quite separate from cowards.
I care nothing for hypocrisy. However, it is an element in all humans, especially at that level in any national government.
Richard III
Duke of Gloucester
His behavior might be unprofessional, as in the case of the US general, but unethical is stretching it.
R.III
R.III
andrewgprv
Second Class Citizen
Leha would you say that a General in the German Army during WWII would have done the ethical thing by not speaking up against Hitler's policies?
Leha
ooseepoosee
His duty as a military officer is to speak at staff headquarters . Once again . I have nothing again critics . I'm against HIS way of critics . As an officer he has no right to talk to media with critics of government , I'm strongly convinced in this .
Unfortunately , he risks nothing . And he perfectly knows it . Otherwise he would never do such a thing . Can you imagine some general doing something similar in Stallin Russia ? Whatever people may say Israel is real democracy ( I'd say too much of a democracy , otherwise such SoBs would never do their coward dids ) . All he is doing , starting to promote himself for his further political carier . I repeat , first he should leave army , then do such thing ( let's see if this "hero" is a real one )
See above comment .
Leha
ooseepoosee
I would want to see our "brave HIGH_RANK_HERO" say something against Hitler being in vermaht service .
I repeat , he knows he risks nothing , he is "protected " now by media , that's why his behaviour is coward and not ethical .
NateDawgNY
Just Chillin'
As a former soldier of the U.S. military I can tell you that what this guy did was nothing more than right-out wrong. I am not too familiar with Israeli politics, but I would imagine this to be on a similar level as the pilots who signed the statement refusing to fly. I do know that in the U.S. military, soldiers of <B>all</B> rank are forbidden to speak out publicly against the policies of our government. And if an Officer were to do that, they would be forced to leave the military. It is all good and well to complain to each other about all the bull**** that we have to put up with, but that's about the extent of it.
NateDawgNY
Just Chillin'
Sorry bout that, tried to tag it using the quick reply, guess it didn't work.
Dr. Dr. Doktor
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As a civilian I can tell you that what that general did was absolutely correct. Jesus Christ I hate it when military persons come and demand to be listened to only because they are in the military or have been in the military.
Wake up call. For every soldier killed in combat ten civilians die from direct consequences of combat. And yet somehow the soldier who does the killing is more 'trustworthy' than any civilian. Not this time pal. No No.
Wake up call. For every soldier killed in combat ten civilians die from direct consequences of combat. And yet somehow the soldier who does the killing is more 'trustworthy' than any civilian. Not this time pal. No No.
Leha
ooseepoosee
So , on one hand you think that what he did is right ( military person came and demanded to be listened to only because he is in the military ) , on the other hand you hate it ?
Could you elaborate , please ?
Dr. Dr. Doktor
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You misread me. Reread the thread, especially the last part, and understand that according to forum rules I am not allowed to make personal attacks and then you will understand.
NateDawgNY
Just Chillin'
It's too bad military service isn't mandatory in the U.S. I think more people would have an appreciation for what we do and have done. They can never understand our POV unless they've actually served.
