Trading in Peace Treaty

[Infantry#14]

In Civ 4, only one civ can demand stuff from another side in a peace treaty, which to me seems quite unrealistic, but I think the main reason is for game balance.

However, I like the way how peace treaty was incorporated into Europa Universalis II. In that game, team A may take control over a territory of team B, but the new conquered territory still belongs to team B. In the peace treaty, team A may be able to acquired the new conquered territory from team B, or team A can return the new territory in exchange for something else.

In civ 4, peace treaties should be negotiations and more fluid. Perhaps one side can return captured city in exchange for (forced, 10 turns or permanent) open borders, defensive pacts, relinquish processions of vassals, gold and even tech. Obviously, game balance is priorty in order to prevent unfair exploits.

 

[Dominico]

Is Europa Universalis any good? The new one i mean, i was looking at it and it looked interesting for a deeper game than civ.

 

[CivDude86]

Since nothing is redded out during a peace negation you know its going to be exploited.

 

[Andvare]

Is Europa Universalis any good? The new one i mean, i was looking at it and it looked interesting for a deeper game than civ.

Yes, very good. Steep learning curve for most, and the third instalment really need the expansion to get going, the second is still superior IMHO (actually the best strategy game bar none IMHO), but that is only due to my personal taste, not the actual quality of the games. EUII could be a bit hard to get, but there is a demo of EUIII.

 

[Dominico]

cool thanks. I will have a look at it, i think i can get it cheap on play.com.

 

[Underdawg]

Yes, very good. Steep learning curve for most, and the third instalment really need the expansion to get going, the second is still superior IMHO (actually the best strategy game bar none IMHO), but that is only due to my personal taste, not the actual quality of the games. EUII could be a bit hard to get, but there is a demo of EUIII.

I love EUIII!

I wish somehow the way territories/provinces could be similarly implemented in CIV but then again they are different in that territories have definite boundaries and are set at the beginning of the game from the start while in CIV they are not.

Diplomacy is quite well done also.

So yeah, everyone check out EUIII!

But I prefer Civ IV BTS still

 

[Thorrez]

What I really miss is a one-way forced open boarders so that I could pass my old enemys territory without trade penalties with other leaders. Or have I missed something?