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Traffic light loops

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Totibbs, May 1, 2012.

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Traphic light loop

Poll closed Jun 30, 2012.
  1. In my country it goes from: Red, Red+Yellow, to Green.

    9 vote(s)
    32.1%
  2. In my country it goes from: Red, to Yellow, to Green.

    9 vote(s)
    32.1%
  3. Some thing else.

    9 vote(s)
    32.1%
  4. I preffer: Red, Red+Yellow, to Green.

    11 vote(s)
    39.3%
  5. I preffer: Red, toYellow, to Green.

    5 vote(s)
    17.9%
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  1. timtofly

    timtofly One Day

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    If there is a short yellow, my wife accelerates, if it is a long yellow, she slams on the brakes.

    The Germans are very engineering minded. A "double" yellow, just means they have to think about what to do next instead of driving around mindlesly.

    If every one accelerated on a yellow though, yellow would remind those stopped to wait for all the accelerating vehicles to leave the area. Normally if one was stopped, they should make sure the traffic cleared before moving again any ways.


    What gets me, is the flashing red light. If it is clear and I have to wait to stop, by the time I get started again the traffic is in my way. I just go because it is clear. The worse thing that you want in traffic is for people to hesitate and disrupt the flow.
     
  2. LucyDuke

    LucyDuke staring at the clock

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    That's typical outside of actively managed areas.

    I usually watch the signals facing other directions, waiting for the yellow on the green before mine. Yellow for you only means accelerate when it's fresh and you know it's long.
     
  3. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    Here the lights to Red --> Green --> Yellow --> Red --> Green, no overlap.

    I've driven in Switzerland, and would much prefer their system of Red --> Red & Yellow --> Green --> Yellow --> Red. Stops me from having to watch the opposing signals and guessing as to when I go.
     
  4. ZeletDude

    ZeletDude The Lion

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    Red to Green, To Yellow, To Red again
     
  5. Old Hippy

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    not sure if they still do it here in Australia, but the lights used to flash amber late at night in the CBD, (1am to about 5am) it just meant use caution and proceed ...
    haven't seen it lately but i drive through the CBD less nowdays at that time of night
     
  6. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    The signals here are almost always hooded so you cannot see them from the side, even at night. They specifically do not want you to be able to know when the light is going to turn, even though it is usually obvious if you watch the traffic.

    I should watch the traffic coming from the side even more closely than I do after the light turns green. It is all too easy to be killed by someone not paying attention to the traffic lights.
     
  7. LegionSteve

    LegionSteve Motörhead

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    It is the same in the UK highway code. It does NOT mean accelerate and try to get through before it changes to red, although that is what happens in practice.

    The UK system of going red -> red+amber -> green is quite useful for me, because my car has that automatic stop/start thing to save fuel. So for me, red+amber means "depress clutch pedal to start engine."
     
  8. say1988

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    Technically it is the opposite. If it is possible to do do so safely, you are supposed to stop even if you can safely get through the intersection. You are only supposed to go through if you are already committed. Its just not really enforced anywhere I have ever been, though.

    That is what people do, and is generally accepted, but technically that should not happen. You should not enter the intersection if you cannot get through it under the green light (or yellow if you commit under a green).
     
  9. Trev

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    Where there is no turning arrow, 1 car only is allowed to enter the interesection and wait for space in oncoming traffic to complete the turn in Australia, often however several cars will do that. Amber does not mean accerelate in Australia because many intersections have associated speed cameras that will take your picture if you do that, also take your picture if light has changed to red. So if you visit and drive in Australia, caution on yellow means accelerate is recommended.
     
  10. Silurian

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    In the US the roads are wider (generally) and so can get more cars through the junction per hour when green. In the UK a 3050 wide approach will allow 1850 cars through and a 5200 wide approach will allow 2700 cars an hour if green all the time.

    At a small traffic controlled cross roads you could have on North South Red from 0 to 2 seconds then Red Amber 2 to 4 second then Green. On East West Green to 0 then Amber 0 to 3 seconds then Red. So there is 4 seconds intergreen time when the junction is not being used. On larger junctions, less sight or with faster moving traffic the intergreen time is increased by adding in all red portion.

    As Gin and tonic pointed out it takes people time to react and if they did not receive a warning of the start of the green time the first second of the traffic phase would be wasted. If you have a number of wide lanes with little traffic in each that is not so important but if you have one narrow lane it does.

    I studied traffic light design at collage but have never designed a layout for real. I have manually controlled traffic lights during the rush hour which gave me a certain sense of power.:satan:
     
  11. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    It is actually illegal in most states to accelerate to get into the intersection before the light turns red.

    It wasn't always that way. It used to be that you were given advanced notice that the light would turn green and the other light went green the exact moment the other went red. But they found that by hooding the traffic signals and creating a delay between the changes that it would substantially reduce the number of traffic accidents. It makes the intersections less efficient but safer.

    Traffic in the US has become so regulated that it is becoming extremely rare to even be given the opportunity to decide when to turn left across multiple lanes of traffic. This is especially true at intersections. It used to drive me nuts in the SF Bay area to have to wait for a left turn signal at night or on the weekends when there was no traffic at all.

    The problem is that the vast majority of people simply don't pay sufficient attention when they drive in the US. So the state is forced into taking many of the decisions out of their hands while reducing the speed limits to absurd levels in areas where you should be able to drive much faster.
     
  12. Silurian

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    In the UK you could be charged with "driving without due care and attention" for this.


    Well in the example I gave above there is 4 seconds intergreen time which was the minimumin in the UK (I do not know what it is now). So in the UK you will be warned that your light will turn green at least 2 seconds after the other light(s) have turned red. Never heard of swaping greens with no delay.
     
  13. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    Well, that actually makes good sense. I hate it when the person ahead isn't paying any attention which causes a few, or even nobody, to be able to make the turn.

    And to be fair, I don't think the traffic signals on highways where the speeds are above 45 mph have ever instantaneously changed. But it was frequently done at lower speeds and still is. it is one of the reasons why red light cameras have come into vogue. it is now a major source of revenue in some municipalities.

    Many of the traffic laws and control measures in the US are directly related to most people simply not paying enough attention while driving 4000 lb projectiles.
     
  14. NickyJ

    NickyJ Retired Narrator

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    As a Virginian, this. (I don't know if it's different state-by-state, or whatever.)
     
  15. Antilogic

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    I think the red -> green -> yellow -> red cycle is universal in the United States. It's the only system I've driven with, so it's hard to really evaluate my preferences for the poll.
     
  16. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    Well I'm certainly not trying to advocate that we all blindly accelerate into greens, but it's still better to have an pre-green yellow. Imagine I'm stopped with a red right facing me, because the traffic coming the opposite direction has an advanced green turning signal going. But if there's nobody coming that way, I can't guess when their right goes red, and thus when mine will go green.

    And in rush hour traffic, we owe a duty to our fellow commuters to be in gear and ready to go the moment that light turns.

    I think it's all of North America, and likely the Americas as a whole.
     
  17. Zelig

    Zelig Beep Boop

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    Well, as long as everyone is consistent, it doesn't really matter how fast they are, you can adjust light timing as necessary.
     
  18. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    It's really not all that difficult. All one must do is pay a bit of attention and accelerate when the light turns green.
     
  19. Jan H

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    No, the Netherlands and Belgium are Red -> Green -> Yellow -> Red, like most countries. I think the OP made a mistake in his poll.

    Only we call the "yellow" light "orange":) . For the rest, the rules are the same as anywhere: legaly, "yellow" means that you have to stop (just as on red), unless you are unable to safely do so. In practice this means that a lot of people just ignore the yellow, or accelerate to make it to the intersection before the red...

    I actually like the German/British system, where the green light is announced by a short combination of red and yellow. Another thing I have seen abroad (somewhere in Asia, don't remember where exactly): a number below the trafficlight that counts back from 9 to 0 before the light changes from red to green. It almost felt like the start of a F1 race...
     
  20. Bugfatty300

    Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel

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    I just ignore stop lights and signs altogether. Most of the time it isn't a problem.
     

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