Trial of Amanda Knox

[Mise]

Yes, the media in the UK definitely vilified Knox because she was an easy target. They painted her as some sort of cold-blooded, Dexter-like murderer. Oh and a raging sex-fiend, just to turn the screws a bit more. I feel really guilty myself for believing it at the time.

 

[woody60707]

Palestinian secret agents did it and tried to frame her, implicating Israel's allies.

This sadly is the most believable of the theories out there. But I guess the marijuana fueled murderous rage by the Satanic sect while having a ritual orgy and blood sacrifice that Amanda Knox was a part of is a close 2nd. ... Yes, that really was one of the prosecution's theory for the motive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Prosecution_and_defence_arguments

 

[Formaldehyde]

I think a large part of the problem is that she didn't understand Italian. Her supposed indifference was likely caused by her not understanding what her accusers were even saying. But once the authorities start talking about Satanic influences, there is probably not much you can do anyway. Just about anybody is going to fail the witch test.

 

[JollyRoger]

Did Nancy Grace ever chime in on this or was the prosecution's allegations too ridiculous even for her?

She is probably spinning it as a white girl has gone missing from an Italian bed and breakfast.

 

[Bamspeedy]

Did Nancy Grace ever chime in on this or was the prosecution's allegations too ridiculous even for her?

It sounds like she didn't previously make her stance well known, but now she has made it clear that she thinks Knox being freed is a 'miscarriage of justice'.

 

[woody60707]

I think a large part of the problem is that she didn't understand Italian. Her supposed indifference was likely caused by her not understanding what her accusers were even saying. But once the authorities start talking about Satanic influences, there is probably not much you can do anyway. Just about anybody is going to fail the witch test.

You mean the West Memphis Three wasn't a one time hiccup? umpossible!

 

[Tufio]

Did she do it?

Yep, no doubt.

It's obvious and there's also no other explanation.

Was she released based on some procedural technicality

Yep.

Our "CSI" is not very good to begin with, a good lawyer can save you from nearly everything and the media ( and international ) pressure was huge.

I thought Italy was a democratic county with decent legal system. Now, according to US media, it seems that I was wrong. Italy is apparently a country with medieval legal codes where influence is everything and people always get convicted of whatever crime they are convicted.

Lol no, is the other way around.

In italy you have to screw up big time to go in jail.

 

[woody60707]

Yep, no doubt.

It's obvious and there's also no other explanation.



Yep.

Our "CSI" is not very good to begin with, a good lawyer can save you from nearly everything and the media ( and international ) pressure was huge.



Lol no, is the other way around.

In italy you have to screw up big time to go in jail.

This sadly is the most believable of the theories out there. But I guess the marijuana fueled murderous rage by the Satanic sect while having a ritual orgy and blood sacrifice that Amanda Knox was a part of is a close 2nd. ... Yes, that really was one of the prosecution's theory for the motive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Prosecution_and_defence_arguments

So let me get this straight. You believe at least some part of this, if not the whole thing? Was it the Satanic part? Do you believe she is a witch? Or maybe the Crazy Orgy gone wrong with a guy she really didn't even know. (the guy who was already found guilty of the killing, but lets just look over that factoid)

Please tell me it's the marijuana fueled murderous rage. There is a reason for the term "weed rage"

 

[Louis XXIV]

This sounds much more believable.

The problem with the lazy cops theory is there is an obvious person. Rudy Guede definitely had sex with Meredith Kercher (likely raped her, since he had no prior contact with her). He claims he was there, but in the bathroom when she was killed.

I don't think it was anti-Americanism. Amanda Knox herself wrote a letter saying Italians held her hands, defended her, supported her, and prayed for her. However, I do think the Prosecutor Giuliano Megnini is nuts.

However, she also got 3 years for falsely accusing someone, what's with that?

During the police interrogation, she apparently accused someone else of the crime. That person was arrested for about three weeks before let go. She claims she was interrogated for a long time with limited English translations and had poor understanding of Italian at the time. The police asked her to imagine what happened and the accusation was during this. The prosecution tried to use the statement against her, but the court through it out.

Yep, no doubt.

It's obvious and there's also no other explanation.

Rudy Guede acting alone isn't an obvious explanation? Che stano, è sembra ovvioso.

Basically, the evidence was the forensic evidence. I know you say your CSI isn't very good, but that's not something you can convict someone on.

 

[Labtec600]

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Anyway, I just wonder whether it would have come to a second trial if the 'wrongly accused" wasn't a pretty girl. (Just saying, I don't mean to imply she is guilty because of that.)

Her ex-boyfriend was also released from jail so it's not just the pretty girl.


The whole thing is insane. There was no prior connection between Knox and her boyfriend with Guede. The prosecution had this idea of knox buying drugs from Gude, but then Kearcher came home and they raped and killed her. Yeah right.

And the stupidest thing is, the person that did do it and was guility without a doubt, had his sentece reduced by SIXTEEN YEARS because he said he was "sorry". What a joke.

 

[chad187]

This whole thing is messed up because either they just let a killer go free OR they held an innocent person prisoner for 4 years

 

[Louis XXIV]

And the stupidest thing is, the person that did do it and was guility without a doubt, had his sentece reduced by SIXTEEN YEARS because he said he was "sorry". What a joke.

Actually, a correction here. He got a reduced sentence because he agreed to a fast-tracked trial (giudizio abbreviato). The fact that he seemed clearly guilty may have had something to do with it (he claimed the other two had conspired against him and he couldn't have a fair trial with the other two).

I think the evidence against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollectito was extremely poor, but I'd prefer to keep everything as honest as possible.

 

[r16]

sometime people get the mood to prove who runs this or that country and that's how she returns home , having served the lesser part of her sentence . The concentration might be and for the moment is definitely elsewhere , yet snuff is not liked . Shown maybe 5 or more times . Yeah , this ain't over yet .

 

[MobBoss]

I think a large part of the problem is that she didn't understand Italian. Her supposed indifference was likely caused by her not understanding what her accusers were even saying. But once the authorities start talking about Satanic influences, there is probably not much you can do anyway. Just about anybody is going to fail the witch test.

Uhm...I was under the impression that she spoke fluent Italian. At least she did at her trial.

 

[Winner]

Uhm...I was under the impression that she spoke fluent Italian. At least she did at her trial.

I guess she learned it during the time she was in jail.

 

[Tufio]

So let me get this straight. You believe at least some part of this, if not the whole thing? Was it the Satanic part? Do you believe she is a witch? Or maybe the Crazy Orgy gone wrong with a guy she really didn't even know. (the guy who was already found guilty of the killing, but lets just look over that factoid)

They were on drugs and killed her, is simple.

Rudy Guede acting alone isn't an obvious explanation?

No, the girl was not killed by a single person.

So... let's summarize... the poor black dude get the blame and the beautiful rich whites are free.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Source for your insight is Magic Crystal Ball?

 

[Louis XXIV]

Uhm...I was under the impression that she spoke fluent Italian. At least she did at her trial.

She was in Italy for 2 months by that point, iirc. She's a much better speaker now four years later, but she certainly wasn't a fluent Italian speaker then.

No, the girl was not killed by a single person.

The Prosecutors had only one theoretical murder weapon (one that apparently didn't match the cuts, but let's leave that aside for a second). Do you have any evidence there was more than one weapon, for example? The fact that it was such a violent struggle seems to also cast doubt on the idea that it was three against one.

So... let's summarize... the poor black dude get the blame and the beautiful rich whites are free.

This is Casey Anthony all over again. People believed the prosecutors and were convinced what they said was true. But what the prosecutors say isn't evidence. They didn't prove what they claimed they knew.

All they had was the bra, the knife, and the statement. The Tribunale threw out the statement and an independent review said the DNA on the bra and knife were horribly unreliable. That isn't clever defense lawyering, that's the court's own experts saying there was no credible evidence. So you can go to Perugia and shout "Vegogna" all you want, but tell me, what evidence do you have that says they are guilty, keeping in mind you already stated that your CSI guys aren't very good (so I wouldn't rely on the forensics evidence)? Convince me this was some kind of bias and not where the evidence led.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I guess she learned it during the time she was in jail.

Yep. This is quite clear from the articles about how she didn't really understand the questions that were asked, and how she finally made an impassioned plea in Italian which she finally learned in prison during the last court appearance. Much of the reason the Italian authorities thought she was guilty is because how blasé she supposedly was about what occurred. She simply didn't understand their concerns.

I wonder how many innocent people have been persecuted due to not knowing the local language sufficiently well to properly answer the questions asked of them. Police frequently use the reaction of the person being interrogated to decide if they are guilty or not. They might as well use witch hunting techniques in cases such as this.