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Trial Poll: People vs. Shaitan

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game II: Polls' started by Danke, Nov 17, 2002.

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Is Shaitan guilty or innocent as described below?

Poll closed Nov 20, 2002.
  1. Innocent

    21 vote(s)
    75.0%
  2. Guilty

    7 vote(s)
    25.0%
  3. Abstain

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Danke

    Danke Judge Advocate

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    This is a Trial Poll on the charge as originally posted by Veera Anlai that Shaitan violated the following law:



    Discussion on the various arguments and evidence can be found in the thread entitled PI: People vs. Shaitan

    If you have not read this discussion, *please* do so *before* voting!


    This poll will be up for 72 hours
     
  2. Shaitan

    Shaitan der Besucher

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    The charge is that I posted neither a discussion nor a poll regarding what to do with a great leader. This is immediately proven false as I did post a discussion on my first day in office. That thread is here. A vote of "guilty" in this trial poll indicates that the voter is, in effect, swearing that I did not post the thread linked above.

    In my support I point out The Code of Laws, C-2-d-(4): Formulate departmental policies, plans and agendas of their own in the absence of citizen feedback (forum outage, low participation, etc). It was my duty under our laws to formulate policy in this matter. The discussion thread had received negligible participation. As you can see with your own eyes, only 8 people had responded to it. This is an obvious case of low participation and I was legally required to make my own decision.

    Although I agree that it is generally preferable to poll on issues, this is not a requirement of our laws. The definition of Organize does not mention polling at all.

    There were 5 people at the chat with me. Not a single person thought it necessary to return this matter to the forums for a poll. The stated will of the people was that I make the decision requried of me by law and continue the chat turn.

    I ask all reasonable citizens to attest to my innocense. To summarize my defense:
    • The charges as filed are not applicable. I did post a discussion and the charges are that I did not do so.
    • The rules required that I act in the manner that I did.
    • Polls are not a legal requirement of organizing policy and agendas.
    • 100% of the citizens who were present for the decision supported it.
     
  3. BCLG100

    BCLG100 Music Master

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    i voted innocent i believe shaitan was acting in the good of the state
     
  4. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    *CivGeneal stands in the jurry box

    Shaitan is innocent :)

    *CivGeneral sits back down
     
  5. Bill_in_PDX

    Bill_in_PDX Grumpy Submariner

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    I voted innocent

    I feel that all the charges touch on ethical issues, but from a strict legal standpoint, I am not willing to convict on this topic.
     
  6. gonzo_for_civ

    gonzo_for_civ Chicken Walker Retired Moderator

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    17-4, he's innocent :)

    Now, can we finally get back to Fanatika, without smearing shaitan's blood :D
     
  7. Bill_in_PDX

    Bill_in_PDX Grumpy Submariner

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    It would appear that this issue will be firmly decided once the 72 hour period expires.
     
  8. Stuck_as_a_Mac

    Stuck_as_a_Mac Aptenodytes forsteri

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    Innocent beyond reasonable doubt regarding the laws, but still questionable ethically.
     
  9. Danke

    Danke Judge Advocate

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    Did I miss the Bloom County avatar memo? ;)
     
  10. Stuck_as_a_Mac

    Stuck_as_a_Mac Aptenodytes forsteri

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    Danke: No. It was part of my "Come Back Bill" campaign, plus i think i may alternate Penguins. Today Opus, tomorow the Linux Penguin :)
     
  11. Octavian X

    Octavian X is not a pipe.

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    Glad this crisis is over...
     
  12. Veera Anlai

    Veera Anlai Southern Belle

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    Y'know... After all of this, can you guess what I did? I accidentally voted 'Innocent!' :rotfl:
     
  13. Shaitan

    Shaitan der Besucher

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    Accidentally? Perhaps it was your subconsious responding to my flawless logic and impeccable delivery. ;)
     
  14. BCLG100

    BCLG100 Music Master

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    or the jedis used their force
     
  15. naervod

    naervod My current user title

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    Innocent beyond doubt. If this were a trial in ethics, guilty, but its not.
    (Don't worry Shaitan, I still think your great ;) )
     
  16. Danke

    Danke Judge Advocate

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    This poll closes in about 40 minutes. Shaitan has overwhelmingly been found innocent on the remaining charge.

    Thank you everyone for your participation.

    Okay, now back to the game :)
     

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