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truely unique civilizations

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Creation & Customization' started by black baron, Jul 7, 2008.

  1. black baron

    black baron Daemon Prince of Tzeentch

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    (I wanna keep this short to allow for more ideas) my idea is you have a "blank" civilization( call it what you want; be who you want) and as the game develops you civilization becomes more and more unique.
     
  2. AbbieRevo

    AbbieRevo Non-Voting Delegate

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    I was just thinking about this, and had some ideas ( I think I might hijack your thread here a little bit)

    So, you start as a village, with a name for your people, you have no leader. You have no technology.

    As soon as you research your first tech, you enter the Ancient Age, and get to choose something for your empire, it is either:

    1. A Leader Trait
    2. A Civlization Trait
    3. A Unique Unit
    4. A Unique Building
    5. A Free Tech
    6. A Free Great Person

    Now notice how Leader Trait is Different from Civilization trait.
    When you choose a Leader trait you get a unit that is your leader.
    The list of traits and their base effect is the same.
    The abilities of the Leader depend on the trait you chose.

    For Example:
    An Aggressive leader could be a mobile General, he or she can be attached to a city to get an XP bonus, and then unsettled to be attached as a general. Unattaching the general from his unit, and it loses 20xp.

    A Philisophical leader could assign three (or two) specialists if he is in a city.

    A Financial leader could +50% Commerce or Gold Prod in a city, and maybe be used as a mini great merchant for trade missions.

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    The idea is that it gives your leader much more personality and Role Play ability.
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    The Civilization Trait would also be a trait from the main list which would give a bonus in every city instead of a bonus embodied in a unit.

    Possibilities include:

    Agg: Free Barracks in every city
    Ind: Forge +10% prod
    Phil: +25% GPP
    etc.

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    At Every new age you get to choose one of the items off the list.
    The expanded powers of traits helps make up for the fact that you might not have them as long.

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    For Unique Units and Buildings, two paths are possible.

    1. Have a list of the prexisting Unique Units and Buildings (potentially supplemented), and the player picks one.
    2. Design and implement a dynamic Unique X creator, which would have to be properly balanced (A major task all in all, but would make great fun)
     
  3. Popcornlord

    Popcornlord Steampunk Mechanic

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    I like this idea. Mayby allow the player to choose a building or unt for his UB and UU and then add bonuses from a list. That way they'll still be unique but (hopefully) balanced.
     
  4. TheDS

    TheDS Regular Riot

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    I was more thinking you'd add traits as you progressed rather than replace them. OTOH, perhaps you'd add one at the start based on what tech you researched first, then later you'd add two but take one away. This would sort of force you to change your strategy as you went along, because you'd have to stop being something, but you'd want to rush through as much as you could to make the net-gain.

    At the very start of your post, you put me in mind of Black and White 2, and the way in which your pet develops its abilities and personality based on your actions. Frex, I train my pet not to attack my stuff, but to attack other people's stuff. I give him plenty of combat ability (I didn't know he would respawn if he died, and I didn't want to lose him, until I'd played a couple games). But alternately, I could've turned him into a production assistant, or a morale booster, or an army helper (healer), or any number of other things, and that's the first impression I got, and read wondering how you'd accomplish this.

    In answer to my own question, I don't know. Maybe implement some kind of morality choice system, not unlike what's present in GalCiv2.
     
  5. AbbieRevo

    AbbieRevo Non-Voting Delegate

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    So I came up with a list of possible bonuses

    Aggressive

    ***Leader***
    Flexible Great General
    +3xp, +25 when attached

    ***Civilization***
    Barracks +5xp

    Protective

    ***Leader***
    +100% Defensive Bonus Where Located

    ***Civilization***
    Half-Priced Archery Units?

    Charismatic

    ***Leader***
    +3 Happiness Where Stationed
    -50% War Weariness Nationwide

    ***Civilization***
    +100% Foreign Trade Route Yield


    Imperialistic

    ***Leader***
    Can Build Cities (3 Turns)

    ***Civilization***
    Great Generals give +3xp when settled
    25xp when attached


    Creative

    ***Leader***
    +100% Culture Where Stationed

    ***Civilization***
    +1 Culture /Specialist
    Artists give +1 beaker


    Financial

    ***Leader***
    +100% Gold Yield where stationed

    ***Civilization***
    Half Priced Markets, Banks, (grocers?)

    Philisophical

    ***Leader***
    Can Assign 3 Specialists of Any Kind Where Stationed

    ***Civilization***
    +25% GPP

    Industrious

    ***Leader***
    +15 Hammers Where Stationed

    ***Civilization***
    Forges Yield +65% Production instead of +25%

    Expansive

    ***Leader***
    Farms Provide Irrigation
    +3 Health Where Stationed

    ***Civilization***
    +2 (total 4) health/ city

    Organized

    ***Leader**
    Reduces Maintenance in nearby Cities

    ***Civilization***
    -25% City Maintenance

    Spiritual

    ***Leader**
    Can Whip/Draft w/o unhappiness where stationed without civics

    ***Civilization***
    Temples effect doubled
     
  6. black baron

    black baron Daemon Prince of Tzeentch

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    wow......
    the idea for uu and ub is there would be a in game window in which you could design them with a certain # of points and the more games you play the more points you would have to mod the uu/ub or you could buy a second uu/ub.or for the uu from moopoo's tech idea - "ok. Just say you're researching a tech. you're researching archery. except it isn't called archery, it's called, say, "projectile weapons". you finish researching it, and it unlocks archers. But the next time you play, it unlocks Slingers. The time after that, Javelin throwers."(example)
    and as for leaders i though I'd borrow from moopoo's(again) dynamic traits; his idea was that you traits would be influenced by your actions (organized- you have to build lots of courthouses, etc.)

    p.s. this would make things more balanced in the beginning ,if you could teach the cpu to play this way

    btw this is just my point of veiw
     
  7. black baron

    black baron Daemon Prince of Tzeentch

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    what no responses or further ideas?
     
  8. GoodSarmatian

    GoodSarmatian Jokerfied Western Male

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    I would not start with blank Civilizations but with cultural groups and neighbouring civs of the same group for example European.
    At a point in the game the "European tribes" split into Celtic, Germanic and Mediterrenian and now you start to differ from you neighbours. The tech tree is not any more the same for every fledging civ, there are different wonders available (Stonehenge exclusive to Celtic civs and so on) and the it gets more and more different.
    Your civ goes from European to Mediterranean to Roman or from Celtic to French.
     
  9. black baron

    black baron Daemon Prince of Tzeentch

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    nice! although that is a cool idea, I'm planning to make this into an actual mod and there are limitations(one being 34 civs * 62 wonders=2108 wonders). but i like that in that, both it and my idea is that a civilization isn't necessarily unique in the beginning, but becomes more so over time.

    AND REALLY I HAVE NO IDEA OF HOW TO GO ABOUT THIS MOD
     
  10. T_KCommanderbly

    T_KCommanderbly Prince

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    ^you would probably have to edit the python files alot
     
  11. black baron

    black baron Daemon Prince of Tzeentch

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    Problem: I don't know anyone who knows how, i don't how and not egnough interest is being shown for me to find someone to do that
     

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